Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[SunnyHirose]

Since it hits flying things, we'll have to assume it really is indeed a cylinder.

Aw, you're just tickling their feet with lethal piercing damage though :P

For real, though, the height on AoEs exists but is absurdly low. Flat, mostly circular arenas since 2.1 all day woo yay.

If the radius of RoT is 5y, then each side is 2.5y. Need to be less than half that for it to register on the side

You're thinking of diameter. Each side is 5y and the circle is 10y wide. (for reference: 50 on Lalafell height slider is approximately 1y).

This is a good circle to be able to eyeball, because many player and enemy AoEs are exactly this size.

[Jonnycbad]

I have a question about parse, not sure if I can ask since it's technical thirdparty tool but at any rate, when I parse my 114 DRG on striking dummy (Lv50), I come out at 510, which I think is pretty decent for 114(hitting all positionals, getting 2x Full Thrusts per B4B with proper Chaos Thrust clipping) and clipping Disembowel and Heavy Strike at 1-2 seconds with a fresh one. But when I step away from the dummy to 'terminate' the parse, it continually ticks down for the next 30seconds until it dropped to 444. Now, I'm not sure if this is the parse 'catching up' and that it lags 30seconds behind, or if it's counting the time not hitting as 'no damage being dealt'. Unsure how to get an accurate DPS read.

[Dervy]

"/echo end". Put that line alone in a macro and use it every time you finish your parse. Give it a hotkey if you have to.

[Jonnycbad]

Eh nvm no wonder, I was using APP and not ACT.

[Mibhas]

Yeah, I'd highly suggest using ACT; it's a lot better.

[CesarLongsword]

hey i just got thinking the other day as i was doing some gex speed runs, what is the ideal place to start a drg rotation if given the ability to start whenever we wanted including mid combo

This can occur in a few fights where the boss becomes invulnerable for short time period of time, we cant do dmg, apply dots or get buffs up, HOWEVER we can go through our combos. for the sake of simplicity lets say that HT will not carry through from the previous phase so you are basically starting dry.

So far i can think of 3 possible courses of action with this and im curious as to which one would bring the most dps, each has ups and downs and im to busy recently to math out which one actually comes out ahead

1. pre combo up FT and then start with it, reasoning = why not hit with our hardest hitting insta hit? downsides = all buffs will be delayed by 1 gcd because of this
FT->HT->ID->Diss->CT->phleb (follow through with rest of rotation)

2. pre combo up Diss, reasoning, get both diss and CT up faster, helps bards a bit. downsides = CT without HT, HT technically gives 15% compared to diss ~11%
DIss->CT->HT->phleb->TTcombo (follow through with rest of rotation)

3. just roll like we normally would
HT->ID->Diss->CT->phleb->TTcombo (follow through with rest of rotation)

thoughts?

[TimelessShine]

Hi I was wondering why I can not hit 2 FT combos in one B4B. I have 403 skill speed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEI7_OpoRmg
Am I pressing B4B too early? Too late? Not enough skill speed?

[Dervy]

You used Jump and Legsweep at the same time, thus clipping your GCD by half a second.

button presses

We could seriously go on forever about this. Too many variables. Adds? Is there already DoTs ticking? Are you switching enemies? Is it a mild phase-jump? Is it an extended Phase jump? Can you combo off? What's your groups clearing speed like? How long until the next invulnerability? Sorry for the very broad and unhelpful reply - but in those scenarios, it all just comes down to situational awareness more than anything else.

[SunnyHirose]

It's not a bad question, I think. This sort of stuff happens a lot in T10, T12, and T13. It's nice to start an add with a Disembowel or Chaos Thrust already prepped if you can! Disembowel is probably the nicest place to start if you get to pick an arbitrary point in the rotation with Heavy Thrust already up. Don't sacrifice the priority system just to do it, though.

[Dervy]

Yeah. Usually Comboing off Impulse Drive -> Disembowel is my and generally speaking, the best option. Not just for yourself, but getting that Disembowel up quickly buffs your Bard quicker. I do it a lot between Imdugud -> Son Switching, Baby -> Large Bennus in T12 and that horrendous add phase in T13.

Another example is the Rage of Bahamut adds. If I'm on Add Duty for some odd reason, there are times where I'm about to apply a Full Thrust on the Dragon but it dies. I just use it on bahamut with or without Heavy Thrust, then continue on with the rotation. I prefer comboing HT + ID on Bahamut first however, so Disembowel is up first.

Another is Turn 11. I go for the Sphere first, H - IDC - P. Then switch to Egg and do IDC - H - P, at which point, I jump back to the Sphere and reapply P, TTT, then continue the priority rotation as normal.

Now let's assume that it's T10 and you don't have HT up, Imdugud is invulnerable, I'd just do IDC P, then continue priority with H-TTT. I don't know whether or not it's worth clipping Phlebotomize early by 1/2 it's duration just because it collides with the rotation (never number crunched it), but I just clip it for simplicities sake.

There might be better ways to handle stuff like this, though.

EDIT: BTW, depending on how much information is released in Live Letter XXI, I may or may not post the new 3.0 topic (I keep saying this lololol, but they never give enough sauce to talk about)