Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Dervy]

No... Because of the Rotation and DoT ticks work.

In the same time frame, you're trading 1 additional Phlebotomize Tick for a Chaos Thrust Tick. That's all you're doing when you use Phlebotomize first.

H P IDC vs H IDC P

DoTs aren't buffed by Disembowel, that's the first thing to remember. Let's use a GCD of 2.45.

Let's say... We're going on until we're going to do our second PH application, so that's 10GCDs or 24.5s worth of DoTs

H P IDC TTT H
170 + (30*6) = 350
180 + 220 + (250*1.1) + (35*4) = 275 + 140 + 180 + 220 = 815
815 + 350 = 1165 / 24.5 = 47.6 Potency Per Second

H IDC P TTT H
(170*1.10) + (30*5) = 187 + 150 = 337
180 + 220 + (250*1.1) + (35*5) = 275 + 175 + 180 + 220 = 850
850 + 337 = 1187 / 24.5 = 48.4 Potency Per Second

Nothing to do with IR/BFB.

People used to think Phlebotomise was better using first because you're getting additional Phlebotomize potency... But that isn't really the case when you factor in Chaos Thrust ticks. And if going HP was higher potency, it wouldn't matter because our BFB and x-pot will still hit the Phlebotomize as long as you use X-Pot before Disembowel and BFB before Chaos Thrust.

Next. No, you do not have a wasted situation when using Disembowel. You're not losing 220 Potency when using Disembowel and it's still necessary to pull off Chaos Thrust, which doesn't collide with the other Dragoon either. But let's assume disembowel is already up... 1165 + 17 = 1182 Potency. So in the same time frame, it's still less Potency. That additional Chaos Thrust Tick is what makes or breaks the Dragoon, seriously.

This is just a very, very simplified version of how our rotation interacts with our different abilities. The bigger picture is on my Dragoon Model spreadsheet.

[whiskeybravo]

Dervy's math FTW! Welcome back Master DRG o/

[pandabearcat]

I don't have anything to add to this, but basically whenever I look at IDC i just think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxajLWwzqY

I'm pretty sure that's what all dragoons sing to.

This has been your daily dose of panda advice.

EDIT: I lied, I did have something to add ^^

This was a breakdown of DRG and MNK damage by skill. It was done iirc either right before or right after 2.1, so its pretty out of date, but I liked the presentation I had of it =D

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1509994

[whiskeybravo]

I've been War main all of FCOB. Finally got t13 clear.. As a DRG. Got the spear as well. Must be a sign xD

[Dervy]

Awesome My Latest test shows Bard dealing less damage than a Dragoon at very high DEX/DET (630 DEX, 362 DET, 51 WD the test was I think) so down goes the drain the JP coefficients being reliable.

150*1.2 (Bard Trait) = 180 potency, so I tested Heavy Shot vs Impulse Drive for that test. That sounds about right as everything is just a multiplier in this game.

Also, any Cerberus bro's around, I challenge you all to find me. I'm in your Kingdom now mwuahaha.

[Hustensaft]

150*1.2 (Bard Trait) = 180 potency, so I tested Heavy Shot vs Impulse Drive for that test. That sounds about right as everything is just a multiplier in this game.

Aren't the traits additive? So it should be *1.3 for Bard?

[Dervy]

I always thought only the highest "level" trait get's applied. Dunno. Does anyone else know?

[Viridiana]

I always thought only the highest "level" trait get's applied. Dunno. Does anyone else know?

I'm not sure it matters? Unless you plan on expanding your formulas to below level 40, that is. I'd honestly just treat BRD's 150 potency as 150 potency and just go from there.

[Hustensaft]

I always thought only the highest "level" trait get's applied. Dunno. Does anyone else know?

The only post i really found about that is going way back in the past: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1737216

I'm not sure it matters? Unless you plan on expanding your formulas to below level 40, that is. I'd honestly just treat BRD's 150 potency as 150 potency and just go from there.

You'd overvalue your stats if you do not remove the multipliers. One of the worst case examples could be that the solver assigns the *1.3 multiplier it doesn't know of exclusively to DET. Either you solve Damage = Potency * WD-Term or Damage/1.3 = Potency*WD-Term. As Potency is constant, the term has to change.

[Dervy]

The thing is, I need to compare the bards baseline damage with that of a Dragoon...