Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Kuroyasha]

Considering the fact that i have a 8 ms ping, do I need a certain skillspeed to do this, i have 0 SS on my drg atm. If not, I'll try it when I get home and tell you the consistency.

Can I have your ping D:

[Dervy]

Considering the fact that i have a 8 ms ping, do I need a certain skillspeed to do this, i have 0 SS on my drg atm. If not, I'll try it when I get home and tell you the consistency.

I believe the minimum you need is 360-370 with such low ping. I think its Auirily who can do it with 367ss.

EDIT: If you're unable to get 9GDCs, download the spreadsheet, and change the GDCs to 8 in cell F3. There's still a few places for you to min/max. What I'm going to do later is add a massive list of the entire rotation, with the time and a skill speed modifier, so you can see how different placements of BFB in the opener can impact the rotation in the long run.

One thing that's important is that if you do clip your GDCs at all, it's game over. It takes a lot of practice to get it done.

Another thing to consider is that if you're able to get 9GDCs, the one point in the rotation where its acceptable to delay BFB by a GDC, which are bolded in red. People with lower ping will encounter this, but players like myself who have around 100ms+ will never need to delay it that much.

[Spayd]

I believe the minimum you need is 360-370 with such low ping. I think its Auirily who can do it with 367ss.

Alright, I'll do some tests to confirm if it works at 0 and 360-370. Also, I've been wondering about stat weight and latency how they affect each others. I've read one of your post saying that the weighting of SS for nin was lower than believed first. I'm wondering how do you calculate this and come up with some exact numbers. I've been wondering this for a while now and have no idea it works.

Also would like to know approximatively what would be the weight if drg stats with 0 latency if it really does affect it!

[Dervy]

Latency doesn't have a direct impact on the weighting as much for a Dragoon because of Skill-Queuing, which starts when pressing the button 0.5s before you use the next ability. It only affects Jumps chance to GDC clip, which can be eliminated by waiting 1s and use it after your next GDC so there's 0 clip.

One issue was was that in a full Ninja rotation cycle, which lasts around 88s btw (SS impacts it), my model was calculating 1 Huton, 1 Suiton and 3 Ration, when that's inaccurate. Its would be 1 Huton, 2 Suiton and 2 Ration. Suiton has a larger average GDC clip than a Huton, so that affects it quite considerably. If we were to have absolutely 0 GDC clipping on Mudras, the SS weighting goes up to 0.181.

The next issue was how I was originally calculating DoT clipping. I was speaking to MrYaah about it for a while and we both agreed that how I now do it is more representative of how DoTs work in this game (Also thanks to Sunny!) My model would assume that if you reapplied a DoT by 0.01, it would clip an entire tick, when that isn't really the case. DoTs are on a 3s global Timer, not an internal ability timer. Therefore, each time your skillspeed is increased, there's a higher chance you'll clip one tick of damage. Clipping let's say Phlebotomize 1.5s left into its duration would be a 50/50 chance of clipping a DoT tick, so we needed to model it completely different.

Thus, SS weighting for all jobs (Except monk, lol) decreased. The largest impact was the Bard. It's weighting on SS fell from 0.161 to 0.110 lol

[Dunncan]

Man, I really want to try it, but I'm playing with 188ms avarage, I and think that It just not worth it to add a lot of SS and pratice, and see myself unable to reach those numbers in actually boss fights. =[

In another topic, anyone got a conclusion about that Accuracy on Relic?

[Dervy]

If you cannot get 9GDCs within a Blood for Blood, then the best place to use it is before ID in the opener. This should allow you to hit all of the 180+PPS thresholds. Also, the difference between hitting and not hitting 9 GDCs is around 4PPS on average. Not that much if I may say so.

As for the relic, no clue. I'm currently grinding out as much money as I can and I'm going to go for that 4 acc meld.

[Dunncan]

If you cannot get 9GDCs within a Blood for Blood, then the best place to use it is before ID in the opener. This should allow you to hit all of the 180+PPS thresholds. Also, the difference between hitting and not hitting 9 GDCs is around 4PPS on average. Not that much if I may say so.

As for the relic, no clue. I'm currently grinding out as much money as I can and I'm going to go for that 4 acc meld.

As I though. The Effort would be too high for a not so much gain. I mean, I try to maximize all the variables I can, so in the long run, all that small PPS increase evetualy becomes a big one. But this one, I supose, I can't go for.

For the relic, I still need to meld 11 Savage (aim+Might) IV's. So, I guess the Accuracy would come now, but I'm not into the mood of melding it and then, realize that Crit+DET would be better.

Actually, I could test it, if I had a confirmation on something. Once I meld my scroll, get my Nexus, if I want to re-meld my Relic, do I have to start the scroll from the beggining, or I can replace only one or two materias? If this was possible, I could test it, no problem.

[Dervy]

You'd only need to remeld the remaining 4 accuracy. It's cheap, only 4 Accuracy I's lol. - though you'd need to buy another Sphere Scroll with Soldierys, and get 4 Alexandrites again. I'm currently in the process of removing 18 accuracy from my Relic, but I'm going to do it in chunks, as the Soldiery Cost to keep buying new Sphere Scroll is gunna be pretty bi g:P

[Dunncan]

You'd only need to remeld the remaining 4 accuracy. It's cheap, only 4 Accuracy I's lol. - though you'd need to buy another Sphere Scroll with Soldierys, and get 4 Alexandrites again. I'm currently in the process of removing 18 accuracy from my Relic, but I'm going to do it in chunks, as the Soldiery Cost to keep buying new Sphere Scroll is gunna be pretty bi g:P

I see, you'r going to try every value of Accuracy in this gap. But, if it's possible to adjust some materia, I think I'll go for 14 Acc and Finish my Animus at all, as I have already all the Alexandrites, and the only thing holding me is the expansive Crit/Det IV's. I have the Dreadwyrm already, so I'm not IN NEED of the Zeta. This way, I can at least end the Relic/Zodiac Quests. Once I have my Zeta, I'll re-meld that over accuracy into Det/crit again, and maybe leave some Accuracy :P

By the way, is there some value between 1~14 that I could help you with your researches?

[HulveinBlitz]

I can do it on PS4, but it all depends on getting that timing right on BFB.

As Derv said, takes practice to know when to hit it.