Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Aiurily]

I believe the minimum you need is 360-370 with such low ping. I think its Auirily who can do it with 367ss.

Another thing to consider is that if you're able to get 9GDCs, the one point in the rotation where its acceptable to delay BFB by a GDC, which are bolded in red. People with lower ping will encounter this, but players like myself who have around 100ms+ will never need to delay it that much.

365 sksp at 53ms~ lets me get 9 skills, yeah

at this level of skillspeed though (365-390) you'll run into the problem of having your GCD be forced to move up 1 skill because your BFB cd won't keep up with it. here's what happens when im at around 378

1st bfb
dis>late bfb>chaos

2nd bfb
vorpal>bfb almost up, but will definitely clip into gcd (it comes up at about 80% into gcd for me), so you'd do instead
vorpal>ft>late bfb>phleb

no problem right? potency increase is still there, but the issue is in the next bfb because you late casted before a phleb

3rd bfb (mostly off memory, i haven't parsed in a while)
vorpal>ft>same situation as before; bfb will come up about 80% into gcd before phleb; not worth waiting for at higher skillspeed levels, so it becomes..
vorpal>ft>phleb>true/impulse drive, i forgot which happens at this point in the rotation

at a bare minimum skillspeed (365) it's heavily debatable that clipping gcd slightly may be worth it; because at some point, if you always prioritize gcd over clipping slightly to get bfb on earlier skills, you'll have an unbuffed chaos thrust around the 4th or 5th bfb. but if you do delay gcd slightly for bfb timings, you're clipping gcd obviously.


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anyway! really good stuff with the video/spreadsheet on 9 skill bfb. i think something to consider is if you're on farm content with selene; if your scholar uses fey light first, it lines up with like 3 bfbs; even at a raw 341 skillspeed, it'll let you get 9 skill bfb because of how significant the skillspeed buff is.

[Arthuro-Ray]

I delay it, it's something i can pull on my War, but not on my DRG, my jumps must be clipping into my GCD >.>

[RachaelMarie22]

Just been trying this too, falls off a millisecond to early for me to buff that second FT

[Dervy]

Latency doesn't have a direct impact on the weighting as much for a Dragoon because of Skill-Queuing, which starts when pressing the button 0.5s before you use the next ability. It only affects Jumps chance to GDC clip, which can be eliminated by waiting 1s and use it after your next GDC so there's 0 clip.

One issue was was that in a full Ninja rotation cycle, which lasts around 88s btw (SS impacts it), my model was calculating 1 Huton, 1 Suiton and 3 Ration, when that's inaccurate. Its would be 1 Huton, 2 Suiton and 2 Ration. Suiton has a larger average GDC clip than a Huton, so that affects it quite considerably. If we were to have absolutely 0 GDC clipping on Mudras, the SS weighting goes up to 0.181.

The next issue was how I was originally calculating DoT clipping. I was speaking to MrYaah about it for a while and we both agreed that how I now do it is more representative of how DoTs work in this game (Also thanks to Sunny!) My model would assume that if you reapplied a DoT by 0.01, it would clip an entire tick, when that isn't really the case. DoTs are on a 3s global Timer, not an internal ability timer. Therefore, each time your skillspeed is increased, there's a higher chance you'll clip one tick of damage. Clipping let's say Phlebotomize 1.5s left into its duration would be a 50/50 chance of clipping a DoT tick, so we needed to model it completely different.

Thus, SS weighting for all jobs (Except monk, lol) decreased. The largest impact was the Bard. It's weighting on SS fell from 0.161 to 0.110 lol

[Dunncan]

Man, I really want to try it, but I'm playing with 188ms avarage, I and think that It just not worth it to add a lot of SS and pratice, and see myself unable to reach those numbers in actually boss fights. =[

In another topic, anyone got a conclusion about that Accuracy on Relic?

[Dervy]

If you cannot get 9GDCs within a Blood for Blood, then the best place to use it is before ID in the opener. This should allow you to hit all of the 180+PPS thresholds. Also, the difference between hitting and not hitting 9 GDCs is around 4PPS on average. Not that much if I may say so.

As for the relic, no clue. I'm currently grinding out as much money as I can and I'm going to go for that 4 acc meld.

[Dunncan]

If you cannot get 9GDCs within a Blood for Blood, then the best place to use it is before ID in the opener. This should allow you to hit all of the 180+PPS thresholds. Also, the difference between hitting and not hitting 9 GDCs is around 4PPS on average. Not that much if I may say so.

As for the relic, no clue. I'm currently grinding out as much money as I can and I'm going to go for that 4 acc meld.

As I though. The Effort would be too high for a not so much gain. I mean, I try to maximize all the variables I can, so in the long run, all that small PPS increase evetualy becomes a big one. But this one, I supose, I can't go for.

For the relic, I still need to meld 11 Savage (aim+Might) IV's. So, I guess the Accuracy would come now, but I'm not into the mood of melding it and then, realize that Crit+DET would be better.

Actually, I could test it, if I had a confirmation on something. Once I meld my scroll, get my Nexus, if I want to re-meld my Relic, do I have to start the scroll from the beggining, or I can replace only one or two materias? If this was possible, I could test it, no problem.

[Spayd]

If you cannot get 9GDCs within a Blood for Blood, then the best place to use it is before ID in the opener. This should allow you to hit all of the 180+PPS thresholds. Also, the difference between hitting and not hitting 9 GDCs is around 4PPS on average. Not that much if I may say so.

As for the relic, no clue. I'm currently grinding out as much money as I can and I'm going to go for that 4 acc meld.

Yeah, I made testing with 0 SS and 8-9 ms ping, and bfb fall a millisecond before second FT. And since I'm almost BiS, I don't feel like adding SS to my gear, so I'll stick with my current opener:

HT (bfb+LegSweep) > ID (PS + IR) > Dis (X pot) > CT (jump) > Phelbo (DFD) > TT (SSD) > VT (LS) > FT.

This give me the best burst so far, and works ultra well and beat other openers I've tried so far. So I'm going to stick with it! Thanks mate.

[TJKuro]

Yeah, I made testing with 0 SS and 8-9 ms ping, and bfb fall a millisecond before second FT. And since I'm almost BiS, I don't feel like adding SS to my gear, so I'll stick with my current opener:

HT (bfb+LS) > ID (PS + IR) > Dis (X pot) > CT (jump) > Phelbo (DFD) > TT (SSD) > VT (LS) > FT.

This give me the best burst so far, and works ultra well and beat other openers I've tried so far. So I'm going to stick with it! Thanks mate.

Does LS actually come cleanly off cd for the FT with this? o.0

[Spayd]

Does LS actually come cleanly off cd for the FT with this? o.0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vRITeekhek

Since i have 0 SS I alternate CT and FT, but yeah, everything comes perfectly on time when a perfect rotation. See for yourself, this is just a part of it since I didn't feel like going for a 4 minutes long recording.