Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Ayvar]

I'm trying to follow this rotation and for the most part, I have it down, EXCEPT for the 25th skill in the rotation Chaos Thrust.

Since the first CT is enhanced by Blood for Blood, I have to let this one drop or I won't be able to reapply it, and because of so all my other DoTs and HT drop because I have to wait to reapply it. Is it that my timing is off for my skills? Maybe during the Jump before the first CT?

There's a section of the guide that deals with clipping chaos thrust, I believe the information in there should answer any questions you have on this issue.

[NintenPyjak64]

There's a section of the guide that deals with clipping chaos thrust, I believe the information in there should answer any questions you have on this issue.

So if I'm understanding it correctly, in fights like Garuda, Titan and Cadeucus(sp?;?). My issue will be a non issue because of constant movement? If so, then thank you for this thread.

[Ayvar]

So if I'm understanding it correctly, in fights like Garuda, Titan and Cadeucus(sp?;?). My issue will be a non issue because of constant movement? If so, then thank you for this thread.

I would also add Turn 2 due to movement, and almost all of Turn 4 since only two mobs have enough uptime to cause clipping (Dreadnaught #1 and 3). Cadeucus will lead to CT clipping since there is barely any movement away from the boss in that fight (outside of the odd platform dodge).

However, if you are really comfortable with your rotations and the mechanics of whatever fight you're doing I would tend towards the two rotations designed to avoid clipping by default. I just alternate between those two for every fight.

[NintenPyjak64]

I would also add Turn 2 due to movement, and almost all of Turn 4 since only two mobs have enough uptime to cause clipping (Dreadnaught #1 and 3). Cadeucus will lead to CT clipping since there is barely any movement away from the boss in that fight (outside of the odd platform dodge).

However, if you are really comfortable with your rotations and the mechanics of whatever fight you're doing I would tend towards the two rotations designed to avoid clipping by default. I just alternate between those two for every fight.

The issue was that while I had 100% uptime of my buffs, I didn't realize the rotation was more built with controller in mind. Plus in actual battles I was pulling very slack DPS. In a group of relic DPS on titan, I was not pulling enough DPS for the heart ( I changed to my bard afterwards and we one shot Titan)

[EasymodeX]

230-250 is fine. People tend to exaggerate what other people "should" parse.

[Hennessey]

someone post a pic on the dps or total damage output on this please. I can't find any posts about damage since their are so many dps variations going on on this forum

[Ayvar]

someone post a pic on the dps or total damage output on this please. I can't find any posts about damage since their are so many dps variations going on on this forum

On dummies any of the main rotations discussed will parse very similarly, you should end up at ~260 (with DL/+1). For actual fights the current parsers are still too unreliable. I've had both LogRep2 and FFXIVAPP give me completely stupid numbers, but they're under constant development so we'll see what happens.

[Mantrus]

How does Internal Release affect DoTs? Does the crit boost affect DoTs if you have IR on during the DoT initiation, or does IR only affect DoT ticks during its duration regardless of how its initiated? I know for BFB and HT that all DoT ticks are boosted if the DoT is initiated with those buffs, but I'm not sure about IR.

[pandabearcat]

How does Internal Release affect DoTs? Does the crit boost affect DoTs if you have IR on during the DoT initiation, or does IR only affect DoT ticks during its duration regardless of how its initiated? I know for BFB and HT that all DoT ticks are boosted if the DoT is initiated with those buffs, but I'm not sure about IR.

All DoTs snapshot their bufff at time of application.

So if you have IR up, even 1 second left, when you apply your whatever DoT, that DoT will have the crit buff the entire time.

Conversely, if you apply a DoT then IR, IR won't affect that DoT until you reapply it with IR up.

[Ellyidol]

Hello. First of all, thank you to Ayvar for the overwhelming (in a good way) first post.

I've been following (or trying to) this rotation that you pointed out:

"HT-IR-Fr-BFB-Ph-Sweep-ID-PS-Dis-Jump-CT-TT-VT-LS-FT-HT-Fr-Sweep-Ph-TT-VT-FT-ID-Dis-CT-HT-Sweep-Fr-Ph-Jump-TT-VT-FT-TT-VT-FT-Sweep"

Specifically, I'm having trouble in the initial section of this rotation, mainly:

"HT-IR-Fr-BFB-Ph-Sweep-ID-PS-Dis-Jump-CT-TT-VT-LS-FT"

It seems that no matter how tight I squeeze these skills into the rotation, I never seem to be able to get off that last LS + FT with my BFB and HT buffs. It seems HT falls off a split second to a second before I can get that last FT off.

From observation, the delay seems to come from Jump animation transitioning into CT. I've been told to consider dropping Fracture all together, but part of me just wants to be able to complete this actual rotation. Any help or insight would be great!