Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Miyu20]

Sorry but I just have a question as I have missed patch 2.45 when I read that they needed directional attacks for Dragoon but places on the forum, people are saying if Dragons don't move into position, that they are losing DPS. So are positions needed for Dragoon or not? Thank you!!

[Viridiana]

Sorry but I just have a question as I have missed patch 2.45 when I read that they needed directional attacks for Dragoon but places on the forum, people are saying if Dragons don't move into position, that they are losing DPS. So are positions needed for Dragoon or not? Thank you!!

They're not as critical as they used to be, but are still a smaller dps loss.

[Synestr]

In celebration of 500 pages in this cornerstone thread, I will be running my DRG once again! Let the love be rekindled...and many things meet the pointy end of my stick!

[Tex_Mex]

Am I the only person who believes that relic weapons should never be more powerful than raid weapons? I mean, the most difficult challenge in the game currently is completing T13. Completing your zodiac weapon might take a long time, but it is certainly not difficult, just long and drawn out. I would be ok if the weapons were equivalent to raid gear, but in this case (if they go to 135) they will just be flat out better due to higher stat allocation points. Seems like it kind of craps on the raiding community.

[Sleigh]

Am I the only person who believes that relic weapons should never be more powerful than raid weapons? I mean, the most difficult challenge in the game currently is completing T13. Completing your zodiac weapon might take a long time, but it is certainly not difficult, just long and drawn out. I would be ok if the weapons were equivalent to raid gear, but in this case (if they go to 135) they will just be flat out better due to higher stat allocation points. Seems like it kind of craps on the raiding community.

As someone who got i115 HA and i135 DW weapons long, long before Nexus or this upcoming i135 relic, I'd say, I'm okay with relics being the best weapons in the game. It's something for the class specialists to have over the people who "just" get their gear from coil, and it helps eliminate long-term RNG a bit - IE my group's MNK and BRD haven't seen DW claws or bow yet in something like 15 clears or so, so they've primed up their relics to get their deserved BiS weapons.

I mean, at the end of the day, we're talking about pennies on the dollar with them being better than DW weapons in a lot of cases. In a raid scenario going from DW weapon to relic i135 is just gonna raise your deeps by 5-10 DPS probably at best (much much less for the DRG DW > relic), and while I value that, I don't think it's something to get upset about if someone has access to that who isn't a raider ... besides, they've got nothing good to use it on anyway

[siverstorm]

They need to appeal to both masses. Raiders and non-raiders. So they will try to make the gear sit on equal grounds. If they don't give non-raiders their own way to get a high ilvl weapon then it craps on the non-raiders (even if you literally don't need anything better than 110 to do non-raid content, but that's besides the point).

I thought last tier was done well, the 115 relics came out near the end of the second coil lifecycle.

[Dunncan]

Thank you for all the advise! I think that I was not clear enough (english is my second language >.<) so, yes, I'm poor, but I don't have a problem to grind all that gil to get the best relic around. I just don't want to do it, get a full det/crit Longinus and end up needind to respec because, I don't know, new gear lack accuracy :P. That is why I wanted to see what you guys were expecting for the upcoming patch, to help me guide my decision.

As I fell like I can always get accuracy (or SS) by other means, such gear and food, I think I canot make a mistake when I go for full det/crit. Thanks for all the help!!

About all the speculations, I don't really think that relic will be better then DW, at least before expansion. My thought is that, once the exp hits, it'll be upgradable and get better then DW, and I remember having heard ppl say that, for the ones who make all the way to Zodiac, it'll be easier to upgrade the next steps, plus they'll offer some sort of shortcut for those whithout the Zodiac.

And I got lucky with DW Spear, came in my second t13 kill. But I can say that if I was to get stuck with all that Ironworks acc for so long, I would be really mad, and that's why I plan to have my relic before next raid content.

[Dervy]

If you're broke, the best way to optimise your relic is to get 19 SS on Novus, then throw everything into CRT/DET. 21 Accuracy at Zodiac Stage (and if it's i135, 23 acc), with gear optimisation, will guarantee you being 2 DPS higher than Dreadwyrm Spear, but 1-2 DPS less than a Max DET/CRT Zodiac. You also get to use Black Truffles for BiS, instead of Flints ^^

I went 19 Accuracy, 31 CRT, 25 DET at Novus, it's now 21 Acc, 34 CRT, 28 DET at Zodiac.

Took me so long to min/max this thing .-. because stat increases from Novus -> Zodiac change, depending on the stat melds on the sphere scroll (EG: 23~ DET get's a +2 Boost, but 25 get's a +3 boost, or something like that).

There's probably a better CRT/DET layout than what I did, but it's the best I could do.

[Aiurily]

for the people who already have t13 clears and their wep, i135 relic isn't really relevant or needed. they already cleared the most difficult content (that relies on ilvl tuning); 1%-2% extra dps doesn't matter. some people might get salty because i135 relic is better than their t13 dread weps, but the whole time>skill thing is only relevant if you actually need the weapon for progression, which isn't the case in 2.51 catchup patch, so it's basically getting upset over a small number difference in content they have on farm already

for the people who don't have all of fcob cleared, the relic is just part of the general idea to help people finish fcob (twines/coats from hunts, wod, etc) and also for the people who have bad luck with t13 weapon drops. it'll be basically 3 months since fcob released, so i don't think its a too early for i135 relics, especially since expansion is soon, and the devs seem intent on having people clear the content earlier and enjoy farming/using their gear, instead of really late to only have its rewards invalidated by 3.0

[rickyguo]

please mother of god can I get a dreadwyrm spear so I dont have to do my relic

i don't even have any atmas

tomorrows the day boys i'm feeling it