Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[YuzuArknoria]

Hi there,

at the moment, with my FC, we are trying to down T9, but we struggle to get enough DPS, even with 5 DD in the team. So, as a dragoon, I was wondering if my DPS was ok, or if I am missing something.

With my current gears (http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2458869/), I have (IIRC) around 430 DPS on a training dummy after 3 minutes, without food, potion or team buff (with a burst of 560 dps for the first 30s). Well, that was without the ironworks chest, and with the astrum chest I110.

When running T9 (P1 and P2), my DPS drops to about 380, which seems to be low. I have some troubles to put my full rotation on Nael and sometimes the golems due to the jumps and moves. However, I often end up with no remaining time of Dis/CT/Phleb when Nael is back.

So, I don't know if I am doing something wrong, or if all the dragoons have the same problem... So if you have some tips, and if you could as well comment on my DPS, that would be great.

Thanks

Yuzu

[Sleigh]

Hi there,

at the moment, with my FC, we are trying to down T9, but we struggle to get enough DPS, even with 5 DD in the team. So, as a dragoon, I was wondering if my DPS was ok, or if I am missing something.

With my current gears (http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2458869/), I have (IIRC) around 430 DPS on a training dummy after 3 minutes, without food, potion or team buff (with a burst of 560 dps for the first 30s). Well, that was without the ironworks chest, and with the astrum chest I110.

When running T9 (P1 and P2), my DPS drops to about 380, which seems to be low. I have some troubles to put my full rotation on Nael and sometimes the golems due to the jumps and moves. However, I often end up with no remaining time of Dis/CT/Phleb when Nael is back.

So, I don't know if I am doing something wrong, or if all the dragoons have the same problem... So if you have some tips, and if you could as well comment on my DPS, that would be great.

Thanks

Yuzu

430 DPS for your gear is more or less fine on a dummy.

T9 on DRG is really basic for the first half, you basically save a Spine or DFD for the first Iron Chariot, and otherwise just training dummy it while keeping in mind if your buffs and DoTs will get cut short too much by a jump (in which case you shouldn't use it). When Nael jumps the second time, it's expected for most if not all your stuff to fall off, which is fine since DoTs don't tick while she jumps anyway. Final phase, be brave with positionals and ask Thunderstruck targets to go away, but if you have to an ID combo or HT for stacking purposes, just suck it up, you're not going to force a loss because you had to do an extra FT combo.

It sounds like you're doing enough as DRG. If with echo and 5 DPS you're running into legitimate DPS wipes, it's most probably not you and can be attributed to your fellow DPS.

[Casper]

Stuff

Your dps seems fine; a bit lower than you could for P1/P2, but much more than what is required for the fight with 5 dps anyway. It would help if we knew what you are struggling with; i assume you do not talk about the golems to end P2 before megaflare ? You should have 10-15 seconds of margin for this honestly, at least. If it is for getting only 1 dragon in heavensfall, do you have deaths ?

Either you have people constantly dieing, or you have some very, very, very serious slackers in your team. Do not only measure your own dps, watch the toher guys input.

[YuzuArknoria]

Well, i'm the highest DPS in my team, other people are around 300 (these are numbers with 10% echo buff). I was mostly wondering if my DPS was ok, or if I should improve it (other people are old enough to take their own responsabilities). I thought I heard about 450 DPS on T9 for a drg, but it was probably a dream (or nightmare ^^).

I think the DPS we have is ok for P1-P3, but the question was mostly for P4 where I can't move for HT/ID combo (or so I was told). And in this case i'll definitely lose a lot af DPS.

Anyway, thanks for your help, I feel a bit better now ^^.

And btw, sorry for spelling mistakes, english is not my 1st langage (not enough space on the 1st post to say it ^^).

[SpookyGhost]

You can land HT and ID as long as you don't need to be in the group for the fire debuff. You also don't want to run into the thunder target while you're trying to land ID, so watch out for that. Standing solely at the front of the boss will also give you a higher chance to miss, as the accuracy cap for the front is higher than the flank/rear. You basically only want to be in for fires you need to take with the group and avoid the thunder target, otherwise you want to be on the flank as much as possible. DRGs and MNKs that stand solely at the front lose out on a very large amount of DPS, especially DRGs.

Also you can edit your post to get past the character limit, but that's unrelated to DRG. =P

[Casper]

The problem with measuring dps, especially on t9, is that there are millions of parameters. Are we speacking i110 ? With HA wep ? Crafted gear ? i113 ? i120 wep, i130 wep even ? Are we talking whole fight or just P1/P2, if whole fight, without breaks ? (the most reliable). With echo or pre echo ?

Anyway, i110, P1 + P2 no breaks in the parser, the fight is close to a dummy fight. There are multiple breaks, so you can not expect as mucha s on a dummy, but party buff + food somewhat mitigates that. 10% echo buff must be taken into account too. Anyway, 380 with your parameters seems fine.

As for last phase, know when there are fires in and thunders. You can go on the side and back, but you need to know when to avoid thunderous people, and you need to eat all fire in like the others or you will die. Play it safe at start because any mistake you make with this will at best result in your death, and at worst in a wipe.

[YuzuArknoria]

Everyone is Ilvl 110 or almost (Soldiery/HA), with Ilvl 110 weapon, and because we only start to reach P3, the DPS measurement is mostly on P1-2 plus some P3. And the numbers are with echo, party buffs and food. Well, i'll continue to practice on T9 with my team to increase my DPS and knowledge of the fight.

Regarding P4, yes, for sure I won't move from the front on the 1st trys. But as soon as I feel comfortable with the boss's cycle, i'll start to move aroud to improve my DPS in this phase. I'll tell to our monk to do the same.

Thanks for your help, I'll continue my training, and we'll down this T9 soon (yeah, dreaming is a nice thing ^^).

[Ehayte]

Thanks for your help, I'll continue my training, and we'll down this T9 soon (yeah, dreaming is a nice thing ^^).

Little bit off-topic, but only arguably... What DPS check are you guys struggling with? If you aren't making it to the final phase that's not a DPS check, that's a strategy miscalculation or mechanic failure. If you are getting 2 ghosts just kill 2 ghosts, or if you are mage LBing the ghost and nael, try just burning the ghost and melee LBing nael to get to that sweet sweet 47% a little faster...

380 is fine, which would be 345 before Echo. I have seen a lot of DRGs come through my static as temp replacements or PUGs, the good ones were 375+ pre-echo, the bad ones were 290 pre-echo, so you are a little above average but definitely missing off of top tier dps.

[Zeviand]

Using the target lock is gimpy, though I understand if your used to using it. There is no difference (in damage) using standard controls and you can actually move the camera angle and you don't have to mess with clicking in and out constantly. You don't sacrifice mobility hardly at all, certainly not anymore than by target-locking. Give it an honest try and I doubt anyone would go back to target locking, I certainly won't.

I absolutely hated training myself to learn how to effectively use the auto lock function, but now that I'm used to it, I've learned to "like" it. I Absolutely hate using standard controls, but only because it's unfamiliar to me. I'll just have to spend some time using it, and maybe I'll grow to like it. I agree that auto lock feels real clunky. I migrated to NIN after countless deaths to flames

[Zeviand]

Dunno why that message posted lol but I transitioned to ninja after countless wipes to 11+ stacks on flames or rebirth. Auto lock and switching to goad someone has to to be the clunkiest thing ever!