Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[treuhavik]

Good stuff bro. I'll try DF this weekend. Any one shots attacks to avoid or has that been nerfed?

Voice, Shriek and Petrifaction used to turn you to glass, which anything would one-shot, but it's been nerfed to a 10s petrify debuff. Renauds would also one-shot players but they too were nerfed. So, yeah, it's a cake walk. Just watch out for your classic telegraphed AoEs.

[ColdestHeaven]

Do any of you feel that there's a minimum threshold of skill speed that should be reached to have a "safe" rotation? I remember a discussion about the drop of Heavy Thrust buff just upon reapplying Heavy Thrust, but I don't remember how that ended.

[SunnyHirose]

Do any of you feel that there's a minimum threshold of skill speed that should be reached to have a "safe" rotation? I remember a discussion about the drop of Heavy Thrust buff just upon reapplying Heavy Thrust, but I don't remember how that ended.

I may have been the only one who said anything about that ._.;;

At base skill speed (341), you can still get it, definitely. It'll just be less safe than with more skill speed if there is a delay in your GCD usage for any reason whatsoever (but this is a problem you should be used to avoiding as a DRG anyway). There is a neat thing about having no skill speed: all the cooldowns come up at the right time. No need to wonder whether you can pop it without delaying your GCD, because it won't!

But ruby accessories come with skill speed, so seeing as to how I'm using those for T13 right now, I suppose I'm not dropping it for a while.

[siverstorm]

I'm not sure what others feel about it. So far for final coil I prefer as little as possible (my BiS sheet has only one piece with skillspeed if I recall correctly). During progression on second coil I preferred keeping my GCD anywhere between 2.41-2.44. There was a metric shitton of it on HA and sol gear anyway and made it easy to hit that. I liked it for second coil because I was concerned about mechanics breaking up my rotation (thorns and briar method on t6, voices and shrieks in t7, every single jump nael does in t9 -.-).

So far in final coil (working on last phase of t11) less is definitely more from what I've seen. From what I've seen of videos in t13 I might elect for some SS again but I'm not sure yet.

Otherwise I'm currently rocking a 2.5 GCD and haven't had an issue with my rotation timers.

EDIT: I remember trying a stacked skill speed build a very long time ago and my numbers went down a bit, on turn 8 it was brutal with TP. The amount of crit/det lost in stacking skill speed was personally painful to see :P

[siverstorm]

I should've figured the weights changed since the jump updates.

I was also thinking this thread should be re-upped to keep stat weights and BiS sheets updated since it looks like Ayvar isn't around anymore.

[HulveinBlitz]

Ayvar visits randomly, but idk if he still reads and follows the topic.

[HulveinBlitz]

Someone contacted him, and got his views a few pages back.

[HulveinBlitz]

Well, depending on what the buff is for us.. we could be getting a lot more of a DPS increase.

One thing all DRGs can agree on, something needs to be changed.

@ Yan: Was watching you do T13 the other day, the one where your dead body was jumping up and down due to lag.

[Dervy]

Well, depending on what the buff is for us.. we could be getting a lot more of a DPS increase.

One thing all DRGs can agree on, something needs to be changed.

Scrub question. What exactly happened to Dragoons that has caused this... "hate" towards us? Have other classes just been buffed to a point where the Dragoon is severely underpowered?

[siverstorm]

Scrub question. What exactly happened to Dragoons that has caused this... "hate" towards us? Have other classes just been buffed to a point where the Dragoon is severely underpowered?

Basically when comparing a monk or ninja of equal skill and gear our dps is lower and disembowel's bard buff isn't enough to compensate it. We have the best single target burst but on the long final coil fights our sustained damage isn't enough.

And almost every form of AoE damage in Coil is magic which shreks us because of how unbalanced our mdef is.

All that being said our damage is still passable and usable in FCoB (there was a kill video of t13 posted in another thread that used 3drgs for shits and giggles), but more groups are likely to shun DRGs based off of the hate that the general public has. Whether these people are doing final coil or not.