Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Decrith]

For any DRGs also clearing t9: do you run 492 or 512 acc? My group, as well as the others i've been in, handle the final phase such that you have to attack Nael from the front, while I have to sneak out to HT/Dis when necessary.

I tried running 492 like this and it leads to a good amount of misses, which really sting in the IDC combo. I started running 512 for this reason, by switching pieces: astrum belt and HA ears instead of HA belt and gloam ears. I don't have reliable parsing to tell which way is better, but I have to imagine not missing is the way to go.

Anyone have experience with this?

I've been running it at 515, is it confirmed 512 is the front accuracy cap? I've been wanting to take it a bit lower if I could but I never got a confirmation nor was I able to test it out myself.

[Sygmaelle]

For any DRGs also clearing t9: do you run 492 or 512 acc? My group, as well as the others i've been in, handle the final phase such that you have to attack Nael from the front, while I have to sneak out to HT/Dis when necessary.

I tried running 492 like this and it leads to a good amount of misses, which really sting in the IDC combo. I started running 512 for this reason, by switching pieces: astrum belt and HA ears instead of HA belt and gloam ears. I don't have reliable parsing to tell which way is better, but I have to imagine not missing is the way to go.

Anyone have experience with this?

Stop to attack from the front and problem solved. Be it Nael or Golems !

Is wolfram Mask the only crafted gear which beats the sol i110 and High Allagan i110 options?

Also how it should be melded?

Search for Dervin (devrin ?) posts about it but yeah its better

[Lucael_Shikaree]

Items from Syrcus Tower or Ramuh Extreme are unneccassary for me at this point since I don't want to lose the Strength Stat from the higher iLv Equipment.
I'm strangely making not enough DPS sometimes in my opinion, it is enough for the content ect. but I'd like to make more than I currently do and heard from people. Note that I am using the Rotation written on the first Post.
So the Determination Stat is very important for me right now as well as Crit, while somehow keeping the Accuracy for the T9 runs.

Perhaps you're focusing on a marginal part of my reply. Since you asked for BiS and you didn't specify any accuracy cap I was pointing out that for lower accuracy cap and for people missing accuracy ST drops can be useful. Plus, the Ramuh ring it's considered BiS even if it's a ILVL 100. As someone else stated, you're going around with an unnecessary accuracy-wagon, surprise me how someone with poor equip choices could clear T9. Is Dragoon your main?

[whiskeybravo]

Is wolfram Mask the only crafted gear which beats the sol i110 and High Allagan i110 options?

Also how it should be melded?

This is only due to the excessive amounts of accuracy on both... The question should be if you want/need the accuracy.

i90 Wolfram Mask HQ
18 str
15 crit
21 sksp
You will definitely want to add 15 Det (2 x VI, 1 x II)
You can then cap Crit (1 x III, leaves 1 slot for accuracy if wanted), or add accuracy (2 x VI)
No accuracy weight: 30.855
With 18 accuracy: 29.643

Honorable mention which did not exist when the i90 crafted stuff first came out:

Guardian's Helm of Maiming
21 str
16 det
16 sksp
Total Weight 28.45

Comparison ratings are:

W. Astrum Helm
25.094

Astrum Helm:
28.45

High Allagan:
27.636

[Sygmaelle]

But when do you have to hit from the front ?

[Xlree]

But when do you have to hit from the front ?

During the last phase of turn 9 when everyone stacks in front of the boss. Your fire tether and thunderstruck go to the back, meaning everyone else is in front of the boss and attacking from the front.

[Spartan117]

Yes, Dragoon is my Main Class/Job. And as you said with your words I might have a "poor equip choice" but that doesn't mean I am unable to clear T9 due to this.
Besides that due to all respects, the end of your reply was slightly offensive towards me, at least that is how I received it, sorry if I am wrong.



Yes, there is indeed a huge amount of Accuracy on my Equipment and is most likely the cause for the huge amount of loss in DPS.
As you mentioned before 492 might be the max I'd need for T8-T9, but I'll be still aiming for a little higher at least in regards of T9 due to me having to hit from the Front for a certain time.
Of course I could stop to attack from the Front at those specific moments, but I wouldn't want to risk either being dead or causing others to die through my actions. A dead DPS can't DPS.
I'll rather do Damage from the moment I'm at the Front instead of missing a lot of my Attacks and due causing a delay in DPS overall.
Thank You for your knowledge though, I'll re-adjust my Equipment neccassarily.

But when do you have to hit from the front ?

During the last phase of turn 9 when everyone stacks in front of the boss. Your fire tether and thunderstruck go to the back, meaning everyone else is in front of the boss and attacking from the front.

To answer these questions, just wanna confirm with Sygmaelle.

You don't stack perfectly with the team, but rather you stand to either side of the boss. You move near the party stack to be in range of fire during fire in, staying at the side or back during fire out and thunder, and other boss mechanics accordingly while maintaining most hits from the side or back of the boss during ice fire thunder phase for Turn 9. Am I right in my description?

Cause if that is so, then we can throw the requirement of 512 frontal accuracy out of the window, side accuracy is about 490++ i believe. It will significantly increase our secondary stats with the lower accuracy requirement.

Oh and if you're checking my gear, I'm only using what I have and now at Divebomb phase. I'm at 550 accuracy because of the limted gear i have.

[Lucael_Shikaree]

How to do the absolute best DPS in t8?

Don't get too obsessed with numbers and try to become familiar with the fight at the moment. When the Dreadnought spawn I usually re-apply Phlebotomize on Avatar if it's about to wear off, do Impulse Drive on him and Disembowel and Chaos Thrust on the Dreadnought when is on the tank.

Obviously there are a lot of variables, for example my Heavy Thrust going to wear off in a couple of seconds and giving priority to it .
If for some reason my Disembowel is not ready, I'll go with Phlebotomize and then do the TTT combo. Maybe when the Dreadnought spawns I'm in the middle of a TTT combo and I can save a Full Thrust for him, even if it's dangerous on the aggro-side. This is my personal experience with my set where DPS hasn't never been a issue.

Having your rotation "flexible" and taking chances from it based on the add HP I think is the best way to deal with adds.

How many towers are you pushing anyway?

[SolarMisae]

Blm roughly do +20 to +30 more dps than us now single target.

So they have better aoe and better st than us...awesome. That's just..awesome.

... ._.;

I wonder if ninja will be any good...

Anyway more questions, is is really worth it to invest in the crafted head and belt? Are they just plain better than the HA variants? I've been holding out for the T8 helm and am still using the stupid wyrm's head piece, but I really wanna get rid of it...

[whiskeybravo]

Anyway more questions, is is really worth it to invest in the crafted head and belt? Are they just plain better than the HA variants? I've been holding out for the T8 helm and am still using the stupid wyrm's head piece, but I really wanna get rid of it...

The belt is for sure because it drops in t9. I stopped trying to get my last Det materia in it for now since I need the materia for novus, but it's got 8 Det (11 max) 15 crit, 16 sksp and 15 acc. It's a nice belt for sure.

The helm is a nice piece too. I opted for the boots instead because at the time I needed a boots upgrade the most, since then I've just used the astrum helm, I hate to waste my nearly 300k boots xD (the belt has probably cost 500k at least, I went with cheap skill speed on the boots)