Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Gardes]

I equipped the same gear as you did, or as close as possible for me and was around 400. 30 dps means there's a fundamental problem with what you are doing. What is your rotation?

I'm using: heavy > ir > impulse > b4b > disembowel > sweep > chaos > ps > phleb > jump > true > vorpal > ls > full > heavy > true > vorpal > (sweep here?) > full

Basically the standard 2 full thrust combos for every 1 chaos combo and alternating heavy and phleb between each combo starting with heavy first.

[renka_chan]

Thanks for explanations, Ricdeau. It cleared some points for me. So, my understanding was I should look for gear which give more + str regardless it's det or crit, right? By using the formula 1 det / crit is equal to xxx strength.

My other question was how weapon damage affect our damage output? People said that I should used weathered liberator rather than atma to clear t8. It had a differences of 3 damage though.


Thanks again for your effort to explain it .

[Gardes]

I equipped the same gear as you did, or as close as possible for me and was around 400. 30 dps means there's a fundamental problem with what you are doing. What is your rotation?

So yesterday I took it upon myself to come to faerie and look at Yan's rotations. He nicely obliged and showed me that he did hit 400 constantly with i99 average and a liberator. We tried comparing our number of hits but it was flawed since he did 12 (or was it 11?) full thrust combos while I did 10 (the only list I have of me hitting dummies at the time and I cant hit dummies side by side since I was lvl 1 on faerie) and the duration of attacking was obviously different since I stopped earlier. Did notice somethings though, other than the fact that I'm not using SSD and DFD for my rotation. I seem to be doing less of everything that's not full/chaos combos. Like, I'm doing less phleb, which seemed kinda odd to me because I never jump straight to another combo after finishing a combo before checking my phleb/heavy so I might have stopped at a weird time during the rotation but I am doing less normal jumps and sweeps somehow. I'm not sure why. So I tried to just focus mashing out my moves even faster and it didnt improve my numbers at all. I'm really not sure why I'm going so slow at all. It did feel like he's moving at lightning speed with animation 'cancels' compared to what I'm doing (yes, I know about weaving in ngcds between gcd animations).

Anyone willing to test themselves and do something like 12 full combos (and 6 chaos combos) rotations and tell me the number of times they're doing other attacks? Like jumps, ssds, sweeps, etc.

[Decrith]

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Was this with a party or just solo? From what I remember, you get bonus which increase your damage if you're in a party.

[rickyguo]

What's to be done here?

Honestly, your bard should get aggro on the golem since he gets to attack it first, then you just let it walk to him and then get your positional in.

If he doesn't and it goes to you, then just phleb full thrust combo it since you really can't do anything else.

Reseting rotations after thermionic beams should also be normal I think. I chase after it to apply phleb on the first jump and idc after the second so if you can't do that due to latency, then it should be the right time to apply everything again.

[Gh0st_Pr0digy]

are any of the i90 crafted pieces worth getting and overmelding while trying to get into doing second coil?

im currently in all myth/allagan, just got the soldiery pants

[Kanemano]

If you have the gil to spend, Belt, head, body;

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Reborn/page261

HA belt and body don't drop until t9, I thought I read a post that stated over-melded head has a higher stat weight than HA and Unweathered, but you might want to wait with Crystal Tower 2 coming around the corner and see what the new gear stats are, as the head and body can potentially be very pricey with the number of T4's you have to over-meld to make them worth it.

I've made the belt, but (casually) focusing materia now on Novus.

[kyrios91]

Hmmm does it REALLY, REALLY matter if I use LS+FT and/or PS+Jump without B4B, and should I just hold them until B4B is up? Because I do the exact rotation in this guide but I open with B4B instead of IR since logically you want the longer buff to get up first.
With my rotation / current 367 SSpd (2.47 GCD), when my PS and LS are all up B4B is still on cd for +/- an full TT>VT>FT rotation (Which is like, 7.5 seconds). So with an "always use LS / PS with B4B up" mindset I always wait until B4B is up. But I guess some advice from more experienced DRGs can help me clarify this. Thanks!

[whiskeybravo]

Hmmm does it REALLY, REALLY matter if I use LS+FT and/or PS+Jump without B4B, and should I just hold them until B4B is up? Because I do the exact rotation in this guide but I open with B4B instead of IR since logically you want the longer buff to get up first.
With my rotation / current 367 SSpd (2.47 GCD), when my PS and LS are all up B4B is still on cd for +/- an full TT>VT>FT rotation (Which is like, 7.5 seconds). So with an "always use LS / PS with B4B up" mindset I always wait until B4B is up. But I guess some advice from more experienced DRGs can help me clarify this. Thanks!

It's just something to keep in mind, it's really just about getting familiar with each fight and adjusting the rotation accordingly. Little things like in T5 conflag phase, you can hit HT when she turns on someone for fireball, then IDC-Pleb Twin, Impulse Twin/Dis Conflag. It's not the "proper rotation", it's adjusting the rotation to fit the mechanics. I don't think Skill Speed is your problem, I can get up to 490 sksp and it doesn't affect the rotation that much. You definitely don't want to be standing there, doing nothing, while you wait for buffs. If you find an off-GCD like within a few seconds of being able to be used, see if there is a Phleb or IDC chain that needs to be refreshed, or if you can fill with a TTT then do so.

Side note: Woot 300 stronk!

[Itseotle]

It's just something to keep in mind, it's really just about getting familiar with each fight and adjusting the rotation accordingly. You definitely don't want to be standing there, doing nothing, while you wait for buffs.

Exactly. Another prime example is in T8, just before the Dreads spawn (at least for me) there is time for a single ability on the Avatar before you start your IDC combo. I was filling with Fracture, but decided for TP's sake to just go double Impulse Drive so Disembowel is ready to stick on the Dread just as it runs through me.