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  1. #1701
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    Spartan117's Avatar
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    Chione Winterfury
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exa_Jyn View Post
    If all your damage (excl. DoTs) is piercing, then a 10% reduction in piercing resistance is effectively a 10% increase of all your damage. Afaik this works 1:1, I'm sure it's been tested and the calculations in this thread are all along these lines: Disembowel + Attack = Attack *1.1
    Which comes to a point i disagree with this thread. Conventional armor/resistance formulas (not just for MMOs) go somewhere along the line of 100/(100+armor/resistance). It makes more sense that a 10% reduction does not mean a straight up 10% increase in damage, if not it makes stacking armor rather moot.

    And using 100/(100+resistance) formula gives at best a 3% increase in damage taken, with values up to 400 resistance (we have 34X ish resistance on our characters as basis)
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  2. #1702
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissusStick View Post
    I have found putting phlebotomize directly after heavy thrust actually produces more damage than after chaos thrust combo. a large portion of that damage comes from the DOT. The chaos thrust combo is a solid 7 -7.5 seconds long. that's at least 2 ticks of 50 ptoency you are losing out on by putting it after the chaos thrust combo. It's also far easier than keeping track of 3 buffs instead of just 2. It does put chaos thrust back almost a whole tick, which would be probably about 25 potency, made up for in the early phlebo. I am confident this raises dps.
    Yes, you are right. Plebotomize does get an extra 2 ticks at the start of you applying it, but you then lose those 2 ticks on Chaos Thrust application, as both DoTs end at the same time. In total, it's a DPS loss as CT DoTs > PL DoTs. The discussion around it was posted in the more earlier pages, around page 25-40. Somewhere there.
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    Last edited by Dervy; 02-24-2014 at 11:36 AM.

  3. #1703
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    Marcusow86's Avatar
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    Natsu Sousuke
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    Tonberry
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    Can i get a quick answer as to when should i start my CT combo based on the CT Dot timer left on mobs?

    There comes a point when i follow the rotation where the Chaos Trust Dot were left with 7sec before wear-off and if i did not start my CT combo during that time, it will be too late to re-apply the Dot on mob.
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  4. #1704
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    Ayvar Bjornstad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcusow86 View Post
    Can i get a quick answer as to when should i start my CT combo based on the CT Dot timer left on mobs?

    There comes a point when i follow the rotation where the Chaos Trust Dot were left with 7sec before wear-off and if i did not start my CT combo during that time, it will be too late to re-apply the Dot on mob.
    That seems about right. I'm usually opening into ID-Dis-CT with about 6-7s left on Disembowel, so that would be about ~8-9s left on CT
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  5. #1705
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    Migosha Ufgood
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaShawn View Post
    Quick guys. Is resetting my 30 attribute pts worth the 10k seals? Currently at 28 str / 2 dex
    It won't change a lot, 2 more str will be like a 0.5 dps increase. It's more for min maxing than a real impact in your performances.
    But as said, 10K seals aren't that hard to get and are quickly useless, so do the change when you'll be able to.
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  6. #1706
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaShawn View Post
    Quick guys. Is resetting my 30 attribute pts worth the 10k seals? Currently at 28 str / 2 dex
    gotta buff that spear throw, yknow
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  7. #1707
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcusow86 View Post
    Can i get a quick answer as to when should i start my CT combo based on the CT Dot timer left on mobs?

    There comes a point when i follow the rotation where the Chaos Trust Dot were left with 7sec before wear-off and if i did not start my CT combo during that time, it will be too late to re-apply the Dot on mob.
    Yup, that's correct. Just keep going. Your dot's will fit in perfectly and you should reapply the new CT, just as the other one is about to fall off.
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  8. #1708
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    B4B and IR affect DoTs?

    I was under the impression that it tooka snap shot of all buffs at the moment a DoT was applied. Can some be confirm that popping B4B and IR will affect the ticks of CT and Ph?
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  9. #1709
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    Jet Brooks
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKingSlayer View Post
    I was under the impression that it tooka snap shot of all buffs at the moment a DoT was applied. Can some be confirm that popping B4B and IR will affect the ticks of CT and Ph?
    I be confirm that buffs affect DOTs; it's the reason we use buffs at the beginning of the rotation.
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  10. #1710
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    Tama Seiryu
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    Coeurl
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    Anyone know if the old rotation listed is still rocking the best overall? Heard every rumor, from every different class, claiming some of the abilities like fracture are actually lowering overall dps. IDK what to think anymore, so best post an answer here.
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