Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Ayvar]

this makes a lot of sense and while I can't prove it, agrees with what i've seen so far playing this game for months. AHh then the goal should be to try and gear for frontal acc cap.

Actually as written above the best would be to gear for the flank accuracy cap. The misses people are recording on T5 in the +460 range would result from the few hits on the small snakes while you're in the divebomb hole (every miss I've seen from the parses has been on the small snakes) since it's the only time you're hitting from the front. This would also account for why some people see 0% misses at low accuracy (low-med 460's) over long parses because this is such a small part of T5 and it would take a lot of parsing to catch those few misses. However, the dps on those snakes doesn't really matter since you just have to get them to 50% and that isn't even close to difficult, a single miss in that phase won't be meaningful. You're better to up your dps for the rest of the fight where it matters than the few seconds of frontal dps on two small snakes that you don't need high dps on in the first place.

[EasymodeX]

Yeah I was running with 460 last night on T5 and got a pretty decent number of misses (about 1-2 per pull), but they were on the wyverns at the start (which I AOE, so not surprised at frontal positions) and Asclepius. I'll probably just observe it for several weeks to see ...

I paid extra attention to ensure I stayed in rear arcs when Twintania casts fireballs or liquid hell spam.

[Sleigh]

This isn't definitive, scientific proof for end-game ACC cap considering the differences, but it's good enough for me to believe the ACC cap needed for each position is indeed different:

As level 45 WAR, with 340 ACC, fighting a level 50 training dummy

Fighting facing the front: 465 swings of auto attack. 427 hits, 38 misses.
Fighting facing the flank/side: 237 swings of auto attack. 232 hits, 5 misses.
Fighting facing the rear: 300 swings of auto attack. 300 hits, 0 misses.

Lots of variables could make a difference, like the fact I'm AAing only, the test isn't exactly the longest to be consistent with the statistics for sure, and it's just a level 50 training dummy, but it seems extremely likely there is in fact a different ACC requirement for each side. Also of note, my BRD friend came by, stripped naked so he only had 12 more ACC than me, and missed about 2% of his attacks to the front, but none from the rear.

[Eclips]

I have an accuracy set for t5 (485) and a max damage set for extreme primals. I go as low as 445 on ex primals and do not miss. Just throwing that out there for safe spots.

[Dervy]

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I'll try a similar test later on tonight on a level 50 training Dummy, and also use abilities and post an ability breakdown.

[Manticzeus]

I just did a very small sample size while waiting for my group to start up for Garuda Ex.

with 341 acc (natural accuracy)

Frontal - 300 swings, 285 hits. 95% connection rate
Side - 300 swings, 300 hits. 100% connection rate



Now obviously i cant test rear since it seems 341 acc is capped for flank so we would have to test on an actual boss just being tank and spanked.

[Dervy]

Job: Warrior
Accuracy: 341
Enemy: Dummy lv. 50

Position: Front
Auto Attack Swings: 1000
Auto Attack Misses: 51
Heavy Swing Swings: 1000
Heavy Swing Misses: 51

Position: Side
Auto Attack Swings: 755
Auto Attack Misses: 0
Heavy Swing Swings: 583
Heavy Swing Misses: 0

lol. Is there any way to artificially lower your accuracy through foods or debuffs? Otherwise, I'll have to wait a day or two to level my PLD to 45...

I think 1000 swings is more than enough to prove this. I have images... But I'm on my final forum warning, lol.

I counted swings from from WD skills and Auto-Attacks, just to eliminate any differences in accuracy between Auto-Attack and WD Skills. As on the first parse, on the front, I missed exactly the same amount of times, I can therefore conclude that Auto-Attacks and WD do not have any differences in Accuracy.

Now, for the second one... I got rather tired and couldn't be bothered getting 1000 swings, considering the fact my Heavy Swings where nearly 200 swings behind... But the fact after 755 Auto-Attacks, and 583 Heavy Swings, I had 0 recorded misses... Yeah.

I may also level my Monk to 45 after my PLD, and do the same test again, to see if different jobs also affect accuracy requirements.

EDIT:

May I make a suggestion; If anyone is to post any "misses", could they post the Enemy/Boss, their Accuracy, Job, Total Hits, Total Misses as well as their position?

I want to make a spreadsheet compiling all of this info for us to publicly spread.

[Tilgung]

I did a smaller sample before CT spam.

Level 50 Warrior, 341 Accuracy, Level 50 Striking Dummy

Flank: 200/200 Auto Attacks
Front: 190/201 Auto Attacks

[Kikosho]

If we get data from multiple level ranges, it might be possible to see if the acc cap for flank/rear/front scales linearly. I'll put up some numbers when I can later today since I have a lvl 43 DRG and lvl 42 MNK I can use.

[Dervy]

Thank you kokosho Could you try aim for around 500 hits? Just to make sure there isn't like a 99% accuracy from flank at X accuracy, for example.