Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Dervy]

I'm sorry but could someone explain to me why there are so many BiS listings with varying ranges of accuracy? I get that coil requires a bare minimum and that anything non-coil related doesn't need much accuracy, so why isn't there a universal "this is BiS T5 set" and "this is universal non-coil set"?

What's the point in having a Universal BiS set, when you can min/max per boss, depending on the accuracy requirement needed? That's why there's multiple sets posted.

Anyway, no one still knows the true Accuracy for Turn 5, nor the Primals, just like Migosha has said. Once we've found a definitive cap for Turn 5, then we can have a "Turn 5 BiS" set. But that's just for Turn 5, and not the optimal set for Primals, or Turn 4, or Turn 2.

[AugustusSB]

What's the point in having a Universal BiS set, when you can min/max per boss, depending on the accuracy requirement needed? That's why there's multiple sets posted.

Anyway, no one still knows the true Accuracy for Turn 5, nor the Primals, just like Migosha has said. Once we've found a definitive cap for Turn 5, then we can have a "Turn 5 BiS" set. But that's just for Turn 5, and not the optimal set for Primals, or Turn 4, or Turn 2.

What would you feel is a safe number for EX Primals + T1-T4?
462?
465?
473?

[EasymodeX]

The EX Primals are generally regarded to have "no" accuracy requirements, or requirements so low it's hard to actually reach them. Probably 341 or 363 or something sub-400.

There are a few folks in the Monk thread who suggest that the accuracy varies depending on where you are attacking from based on a large amount of testing in their FC. E.g. rear = lower acc to cap than flank, which is lower than front. Sounds odd, but it would help explain why people generally find low acc ok, but we continue to see random misses into the 470 range on T5 -- particularly on "snakes" because players spend a large span of time attacking Asclepius from the front, usually. They are saying the rear acc for Coil is 435, flank is 458, and frontal is ~476 or something.

[whiskeybravo]

The EX Primals are generally regarded to have "no" accuracy requirements, or requirements so low it's hard to actually reach them. Probably 341 or 363 or something sub-400.

There are a few folks in the Monk thread who suggest that the accuracy varies depending on where you are attacking from based on a large amount of testing in their FC. E.g. rear = lower acc to cap than flank, which is lower than front. Sounds odd, but it would help explain why people generally find low acc ok, but we continue to see random misses into the 470 range on T5 -- particularly on "snakes" because players spend a large span of time attacking Asclepius from the front, usually. They are saying the rear acc for Coil is 435, flank is 458, and frontal is ~476 or something.

Well geez that doesn't confuse matters at all lol

[Ayvar]

The EX Primals are generally regarded to have "no" accuracy requirements, or requirements so low it's hard to actually reach them. Probably 341 or 363 or something sub-400.

There are a few folks in the Monk thread who suggest that the accuracy varies depending on where you are attacking from based on a large amount of testing in their FC. E.g. rear = lower acc to cap than flank, which is lower than front. Sounds odd, but it would help explain why people generally find low acc ok, but we continue to see random misses into the 470 range on T5 -- particularly on "snakes" because players spend a large span of time attacking Asclepius from the front, usually. They are saying the rear acc for Coil is 435, flank is 458, and frontal is ~476 or something.

This would explain a lot if that is the case

[AugustusSB]

The EX Primals are generally regarded to have "no" accuracy requirements, or requirements so low it's hard to actually reach them. Probably 341 or 363 or something sub-400.

There are a few folks in the Monk thread who suggest that the accuracy varies depending on where you are attacking from based on a large amount of testing in their FC. E.g. rear = lower acc to cap than flank, which is lower than front. Sounds odd, but it would help explain why people generally find low acc ok, but we continue to see random misses into the 470 range on T5 -- particularly on "snakes" because players spend a large span of time attacking Asclepius from the front, usually. They are saying the rear acc for Coil is 435, flank is 458, and frontal is ~476 or something.

this makes a lot of sense and while I can't prove it, agrees with what i've seen so far playing this game for months. AHh then the goal should be to try and gear for frontal acc cap.

[Migosha]

AHh then the goal should be to try and gear for frontal acc cap.

You meant Side and not frontal I guess?

[AugustusSB]

You meant Side and not frontal I guess?

Oh for some reason what I wanted to say got cut off.

I meant gear for flank for normal fights and front for fights where you do not have the choice/luxury to attack from flank or rear for a significant enough portion of the fight.

[Ayvar]

this makes a lot of sense and while I can't prove it, agrees with what i've seen so far playing this game for months. AHh then the goal should be to try and gear for frontal acc cap.

Actually as written above the best would be to gear for the flank accuracy cap. The misses people are recording on T5 in the +460 range would result from the few hits on the small snakes while you're in the divebomb hole (every miss I've seen from the parses has been on the small snakes) since it's the only time you're hitting from the front. This would also account for why some people see 0% misses at low accuracy (low-med 460's) over long parses because this is such a small part of T5 and it would take a lot of parsing to catch those few misses. However, the dps on those snakes doesn't really matter since you just have to get them to 50% and that isn't even close to difficult, a single miss in that phase won't be meaningful. You're better to up your dps for the rest of the fight where it matters than the few seconds of frontal dps on two small snakes that you don't need high dps on in the first place.

[whiskeybravo]

It makes sense in the real world.. You can sneak up behind any schmuck and whack him on the head, even from the side, but from the front he has a better chance to dodge the attack. Also why tanks ACC requirement would be higher, since they are always attacking from the front. DRG can attack from the flank and rear and not suffer any loss, is MNK similar, in that there are no front-only attacks? Isn't the caster ACC cap around 436?