Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[EasymodeX]

I'd preferably like to see parses of someone who's wiping on snakes several dozen times, along with a detailed snapshot of what abilities they're missing with and what target those abilities are aiming for (e.g. a miss against "unknown" due to targeting when invulnerable is not meaningful).

By dozen, I mean 30 minutes of raw snake action, which is like 10 attempts on snakes. ... multiple times, for each level of accuracy.

RNG is RNG -- if the context here is aiming to pick out the 0.5% miss rate when you drop below an acc threshold, it's absurdly easy to simply RNG a 100% hit rate even if you're 5 or 10 or 15 below the acc cap.

[Ayvar]

I'd preferably like to see parses of someone who's wiping on snakes several dozen times, along with a detailed snapshot of what abilities they're missing with and what target those abilities are aiming for (e.g. a miss against "unknown" due to targeting when invulnerable is not meaningful).

By dozen, I mean 30 minutes of raw snake action, which is like 10 attempts on snakes. ... multiple times, for each level of accuracy.

RNG is RNG -- if the context here is aiming to pick out the 0.5% miss rate when you drop below an acc threshold, it's absurdly easy to simply RNG a 100% hit rate even if you're 5 or 10 or 15 below the acc cap.

Oh I'll be confirming repeatedly once I think we've found it. Feel free to join us, you've done T5 as well.

[EasymodeX]

Oh I'll be confirming repeatedly once I think we've found it. Feel free to join us, you've done T5 as well.

Yea but I wipe my parse on reflex. I even intended to check it last night but I may have deleted it T_T.

[zeth07]

Can someone post whatever gear calculator they're using to figure out BIS stuff?

And preferably explain how to use it if we wanted to see what's best depending on which pieces we currently have. More or less just how to remove whatever pieces we don't currently have from the equation while still outputting the "best possible" set available when still having multiple pieces to choose from in a given slot (or more).

I just think it'd be nice to know what's "best" at any given time instead of just the "end all be all" so it would seem useful to be able to use whenever since the whole point of BiS is to find that small difference which should apply at all times....right?

If so, thanks.

[EasymodeX]

I just think it'd be nice to know what's "best" at any given time

More determination, less skill speed.

[Ooshima]

The following list was calculated by KrystalF (thank you!), and the discussion surrounding the list and T5 accuracy caps can be found on pages 101-103:

T5 BiS GEAR

Total Stat Weight: 658.635
Weapon: Allagan Spear (T5)
Gloves: Allagan Gauntlets Of Maiming (T2- Left Side Chest)
Helmet: Wyrm's Armet
Chest: Wyrm's Mail
Waist: Hero's Belt Of Maiming
Pants: Wyrm's Breeches
Feet: Allagan Sollerets Of Maiming (T5)
Neck: Hero's Necklace Of Slaying
Earrings: Hero's Earring Of Slaying
Wrists: Inferno Bangle Of Striking
Ring 1: Vortex Ring Of Striking
Ring 2: Allagan Ring Of Striking (T1 - Right Side Chest)
Food: HQ Deviled Eggs (2% accuracy, 5% crit)*

Not sure if this list is updated. Based on calculator, this set gives 472 acc, 481 crit, 303 det.

What I calculated after modifying my pre 2.1 set gives 474 acc, 484 crit and 331 det.

Allagan Spear
Allagan Visor of Maiming
Wyrm's Mail
Allagan Gauntlets of Maiming
Hero's Belt of Maiming
Allagan Trousers of Maiming
Allagan Sollerets of Maiming

Allagan Choker of Maiming
Tremor Earrings of Striking
Inferno Bangle of Striking
Vortex Ring of Striking
Allagan Ring of Striking

Of course, comparison stats are including HQ Devil Eggs

[WarCrY]

would it be possible for either emx or dervy to link your updated calc?

[Dervy]

would it be possible for either emx or dervy to link your updated calc?

Sure thing.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/rb5fie...atch%202.1.xls

This is what I use to work out BiS. It's a modified version of the original BiS set Solver that was posted here a while ago. All credit goes to Zigkid3. To make it work, (must be using office '10+), go to File -> Options -> Add-Ins -> Go -> Check "Solver Add-in" -> OK.

Now, to actually use the solver, you'll want to click on the Green Box next to "Total Objective", click the tab called "Data" -> "Solver?" in the tab (far right).

In the orange boxes, those are variables you can change, so the stat weights, including the accuracy needed to reach the cap. It spits out different gear, and shows the resulting CRT, DET + SS. Remember, these stats that it spits out doesn't include the weapon, so you'll have to add the weapons stats afterwards. The choice of Weapon you want to calculate with comes as part of the Accuracy Cap needed. So if you want to reach 472 cap with Gae Bolg Zenith, input 94 for accuracy, or 131 if you want to use Allagan Spear. 463 Accuracy with Allagan Spear, we would be inputting a value of 122 in there.

After it's solved, it'll display 0's and 1's. 1 = BiS. 0 = Not for set.

Now, to calculate stat weights. It's really easy to use. Put in the total CRT + DET + SS values you got, including the weapon, into the boxes. Then if you're using food, put in the Food % boost, along with their max value. So for Buttons in Blankets HQ, it's 2% CRT 10 max, 4% DET 16 max, and you'll get your total values in the green boxes shown.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/ls7mz9...ht%20Calc.xlsx

There's two Sheets on that spreadsheet, if you want to do any comparisons with other gear sets etc. Also, "proposed accuracy" column does nothing, nor is it calculated into anything. It's just there to help me keep track of what accuracy I'm aiming for with that set.

Remember though, these are tailored for a Dragoon, not any other job, but it doesn't mean you can't change the Stat Weights to suit your Job!

Enjoy!

SNIP

You running the updated Stat Weight values?

WD = 8.488
CRT = 0.184
SS = 0.152
DRT = 0.323

They're also a few pages back.

[Ooshima]

Remember though, these are tailored for a Dragoon, not any other job, but it doesn't mean you can't change the Stat Weights to suit your Job!

Enjoy!



You running the updated Stat Weight values?

WD = 8.488
CRT = 0.184
SS = 0.152
DRT = 0.323

They're also a few pages back.

Nope, but as you can see it's the same T5 weapon but every of my stat from accuracy, crit hit and determination is higher than the one updated on page one

Page 1's stats: 472 acc, 481 crit, 303 det.
Mine: 474 acc, 484 crit and 331 det.

[Skuldar]

I didn't have the time to review all the replies to this thread, but I was wondering if Fracture is still worthwhile? Also do the numbers hold up with the adjustments to HT (as they are not currently reflected in the first posts, although it is described as being adjusted to 2.1). Lastly, where should the other jump attacks be placed in the rotation for optimal effectiveness?