Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Crush3r07]

With lower Accuracy Requirement. We can wear more stronger pieces. This discussion is heating up. Can't wait to see the final BIS List.

[zeth07]

Could someone with the calculations check the gear sets if Skill Speed is completely ignored in the stat weights / item budget weights?

I'm curious to see what changes, if any, would occur and what skill speed would be given just by default with those different gear choices.

Thanks.

[SpyteSone]

I wonder what the final list is

[KrystalF]

I agree 482 seems too high and wastes stats. Even though I have no proof of any parser or anything, I can tell I have never missed in T5 in all my attempts with 472 accuracy (463+food) since it would be really noticeable (missing combos, debuffs, buffs). And even in the case you miss with that amount of accuracy, the chance is so low that it is probably not worth it having.

I personally aim for 472, but lower might be possible, and this is the BiS I get with 472.

Score: 658.635
Weapon: Allagan Spear
Gloves: Allagan Gauntlets Of Maiming
Helmet: Wyrm's Armet
Chest: Wyrm's Mail
Waist: Hero's Belt Of Maiming
Pants: Wyrm's Breeches
Feet: Allagan Sollerets Of Maiming
Neck: Hero's Necklace Of Slaying
Earrings: Hero's Earring Of Slaying
Wrists: Inferno Bangle Of Striking
Ring1: Vortex Ring Of Striking
Ring2: Allagan Ring Of Striking
Food: Hq Deviled Eggs

Weapon Damage: 47
Strength: 224
Vitality: 194
Critical: 139
Accuracy: 131
Skill Speed: 72
Determination: 101

With 463 acc I get scores of 660, and with 482 i get 656, and according to EMX 2 points = 1 dps so it is really not noticeable nonetheless.

Could someone with the calculations check the gear sets if Skill Speed is completely ignored in the stat weights / item budget weights?

I'm curious to see what changes, if any, would occur and what skill speed would be given just by default with those different gear choices.

Thanks.

This is what I get and seems quite good if you don't like SS at all I guess.

Score: 658.093
Weapon: Allagan Spear
Gloves: Allagan Gauntlets Of Maiming
Helmet: Allagan Visor Of Maiming
Chest: Wyrm's Mail
Waist: Hero's Belt Of Maiming
Pants: Allagan Trousers Of Maiming
Feet: Allagan Sollerets Of Maiming
Neck: Allagan Choker Of Maiming
Earrings: Tremor Earrings Of Striking
Wrists: Inferno Bangle Of Striking
Ring1: Allagan Ring Of Striking
Ring2: Vortex Ring Of Striking
Food: Hq Deviled Eggs

Weapon Damage: 47
Strength: 224
Vitality: 194
Critical: 143
Accuracy: 133
Skill Speed: 27
Determination: 129

Correct me if I am wrong with anything.

[Ayvar]

I personally aim for 472, but lower might be possible, and this is the BiS I get with 472.

Score: 658.635
Weapon: Allagan Spear
Gloves: Allagan Gauntlets Of Maiming
Helmet: Wyrm's Armet
Chest: Wyrm's Mail
Waist: Hero's Belt Of Maiming
Pants: Wyrm's Breeches
Feet: Allagan Sollerets Of Maiming
Neck: Hero's Necklace Of Slaying
Earrings: Hero's Earring Of Slaying
Wrists: Inferno Bangle Of Striking
Ring1: Vortex Ring Of Striking
Ring2: Allagan Ring Of Striking
Food: Hq Deviled Eggs

Weapon Damage: 47
Strength: 224
Vitality: 194
Critical: 139
Accuracy: 131
Skill Speed: 72
Determination: 101

With 463 acc I get scores of 660, and with 482 i get 656, and according to EMX 2 points = 1 dps so it is really not noticeable nonetheless.

Correct me if I am wrong with anything.

Don't deviled eggs give you 2% accuracy, which you wouldn't need if you're hitting the cap with gear alone? or is that hitting the cap with food?

Would you mind checking 463+eggs and 472+buttons and posting both?

Hey man. I understand where you are coming from. What app is that BTW? I use ffxivapp and it\\'s not that detailed. But it does show accuracy as 100% in a 30 min run. I have shots of those. And my dragoon is the only character that can do t5. I\\'ll post some results after I find out what you are using.

That's LogRep2, but I use ACT now

If anyone is interested in the accuracy cap for all 3 extreme primals it is somewhere as low as 447. I did not miss once after hours of Garuda, Titan and Ifrit.

At least 2 hours of each extreme primal and 0 misses @ 447 accuracy, my accuracy was only that low due to recently getting the Allagan spear and still having never seen the Allagan pants or purchased myth helm.

Going to push my luck Monday and try t1-5 with 468 accuracy with food and see how that goes lol, I've recorded 0 misses @ 475 through all phases of Twintania so it should be interesting.

Thanks for the info. Parsing at 468 would be great! Try to parse all of T5 non-stop if you can (if it takes more than 1 attempt).

Actually if you can get it a little lower that'd be good, snowy is saying he has parses of no misses at 463 (which we'll hopefully see) so maybe we could start there and go up or down as needed? 468 is fine though if that's as close as you can get.

[KrystalF]

Don't deviled eggs give you 2% accuracy, which you wouldn't need if you're hitting the cap with gear alone? or is that hitting the cap with food?

Would you mind checking 463+eggs and 472+buttons and posting both?

That's hitting the cap with food. This is the BiS with buttons.

Score: 657.4490000000001
Weapon: Allagan Spear
Gloves: Allagan Gauntlets Of Maiming
Helmet: Allagan Visor Of Maiming
Chest: Wyrm's Mail
Waist: Hero's Belt Of Maiming
Pants: Allagan Trousers Of Maiming
Feet: Wyrm's Greaves
Neck: Hero's Necklace Of Slaying
Earrings: Allagan Earrings Of Striking
Wrists: Inferno Bangle Of Striking
Ring1: Allagan Ring Of Striking
Ring2: Vortex Ring Of Striking
Food: Hq Buttons In A Blanket

Weapon Damage: 47
Strength: 224
Vitality: 195
Critical: 124
Accuracy: 134
Skill Speed: 59
Determination: 118

From my understanding the fact that deviled eggs are so good is because +5% crit is much more than +5% det.

[Ayvar]

From my understanding the fact that deviled eggs are so good is because +5% crit is much more than +5% det.

That cant be the whole story since it's actually 2% crit vs 5% det (hq buttons has 3% crit). It just means the stats you gain from the extra gear (since you only need to hit 463 accuracy with deviled eggs) plus the 2% extra crit outweigh the stats lost to hit 472 accuracy and the 5% det gained from buttons.

So just to confirm, the BiS list to hit 472 accuracy is your first list posted with 463 accuracy from gear + hq deviled eggs giving a total stat score of 658.635?

This list would also play better in non-T5 encounters. It'd be best to aim for lower native accuracy on your gear (in this case 463) since you'd get more damage stats in place of accuracy for non-T5 fights (and you could use buttons), then just switch to eggs for T5.

[KrystalF]

That cant be the whole story since it's actually 2% crit vs 5% det (hq buttons has 3% crit). It just means the stats you gain from the extra gear (since you only need to hit 463 accuracy with deviled eggs) plus the 2% extra crit outweigh the stats lost to hit 472 accuracy and the 5% det gained from buttons.

Not sure if I understand this but HQ buttons has 5% det and 2% crit (not 3%) while deviled eggs has 5% crit and 2% accuracy. What I meant is the fact that you have around 480 crit and 300 det with a 90 gear, so 5% of crit would be 24 crit, while 5% det would be 15 det, therefore deviled give more deeps (when accuracy points are not wasted). Also you are wasting 3 points of accuracy using buttons that way I guess.

So just to confirm, the BiS list to hit 472 accuracy is your first list posted with 463 accuracy from gear + hq deviled eggs giving a total stat score of 658.635?

Yes, and the score counts food stats aswell.

[AugustusSB]

That's hitting the cap with food. This is the BiS with buttons.From my understanding the fact that deviled eggs are so good is because +5% crit is much more than +5% det.

In my opinion and from what Ive seen running my script a bunch of times at different accuracy values. The 7-9 or so accuracy points you get from hq Deviled eggs outweighs the dps boost you get from Buttons in a Blanket. Using EMX's new stat weights a close to BiS set would get approximately 4.746* dps weight out of hq buttons, and 3.938* weight out of hq eggs.

(*these numbers are based on your gear/stats etc since it is % based)

The difference between the two foods is around (0.7-0.8). Let's say you swapped out one or two pieces of gear to get to the accuracy cap, you would lose far more than 0.7 to 0.8 dps weight. Thus in my opinion it is better to use deviled eggs to get to the accuracy cap.

[snowybell]

Don't deviled eggs give you 2% accuracy, which you wouldn't need if you're hitting the cap with gear alone? or is that hitting the cap with food?

Would you mind checking 463+eggs and 472+buttons and posting both?



That's LogRep2, but I use ACT now



Thanks for the info. Parsing at 468 would be great! Try to parse all of T5 non-stop if you can (if it takes more than 1 attempt).

Actually if you can get it a little lower that'd be good, snowy is saying he has parses of no misses at 463 (which we'll hopefully see) so maybe we could start there and go up or down as needed? 468 is fine though if that's as close as you can get.

Yeah. These were taken off our team mate's com, i don't parse at all.
These were based on Twintania (till snake phase), 30 mins total because someone had to leave.
will get more results when we raid with everyone next week.