WHM running out of mana

[Reika]

Havent touched whm since EA/launch. I see other WHM's in parties with me running out of MP, but a SCH who is paying attention to his mp and aethial flow stacks + Aetheflow cooldown will never run out of MP. At least I haven't had any MP issues when I'm paying attetion.

BLM has the easiest management, while WHM only has shroud of saints on a 120 second cooldown. I put in feedback that the refresh potency is way too low on it, but they didn't not listen lol.

[Adelphe]

I agree with OP, i have huge MP issues since longstop lvl 32 dungeon last boss to be honest, i do believe the tank and dps make all the difference, not just avoiding attacks but higher
dps means quicker fight, less mp needed.

I'm having alot of tanks say they would rather have a SCH in group than Me a WHM, its quite anoying to be honest, during titan yes Regen helped, but even high ethers dont help much, even with good dps and a good tank, 1 mistake and its a fail.

I really think they need to buff WHM mana regen, but ignoring that and the buff they get which is not great compared to SCH buff.

SHOULD we put any points into Piety, alot are saying go 2:1, 30 points available, 20 mind / 10 piety end game, what do you guys think?

[Rhindas]

I'm skeptical about piety since the cures' MP costs scale with your level. To me it makes more sense to make cure more potent so as to be more MP efficient. Of course, you have to watch overhealing, but if you watch the HP bars and have a general idea as to how much each cure spell will heal, (crits notwithstanding) it evens out to save more MP for me that way. Especially when Freecure procs.

But I only got CNJ to Brayflox in the beta and haven't reattained that yet (can't log in XD), so that may change later for all I know.

[Kyomih]

Ok, had an amazingly smooth run through Longstop. Tank and DPS (especially tank) make a HUGE difference.
Also, as a WHM you basically have to pray for a Bard then there are no issues

[Jarlax]

I don't seem to have any issues at all as a WHM, Stoneskin is not for the tank, it is a extra cushion for yourself and possibly a dps that is not taking direct damage the mana cost of it is almost if not twice the cost of a cure and the cure heals more damage then the stoneskin prevents. What I did find is that when I overheal a lot I will run out of mana, but if I try to not overheal I am fine.

Medica is good only in a pinch, I tend to be stingy with heals if I know the group will take AoE damage and I will need it and save my burst for then. You won't have regen by now at this level, otherwise I would say never use a direct heal on a melee unless they actively have aggro use regen instead, always keep regen on the tank and fill in with cure when they lose enough health to not overheal them.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Hi there Pyrater,

From the times that I have done the Titan (story) fight on White Mage (although at the level sync'd level), I don't think I've had too deadly a time MP-wise unless someone gets knocked out of the ring early on.

Using Protect at beginning.
Stoneskin each person.
Cannot recall if level 36 trait for Graniteskin is available, if it is, the Stoneskin buys a bit more time.

Casting Regen as a response of the AoE attack. Pre-emptively casting it even at the expense of overhealing and letting Regen do the rest instead of using Medica once or twice. Refresh Stoneskin on tank, letting the regen take hold (if I recall, my Stoneskin absorbs as much HP as a Cure II, costs the same, generates significantly less threat to make up for over heal enmity from the earlier Regen).

If I'm playing defensive, will get Stoneskin up on each person, using Swiftcast liberally.

If I get targeted during the knockback move, will run out of the way, often cast Aero on Titan or Regen on someone if needed so that my GCD is happening while I'm dodging.

During certain phases, will switch to Cleric's Stance and try to break the earth prison on a party member. If it's close to breaking, will switch out of Cleric's Stance, reapply Regen where I can and catch the tank back up with Cure I unless Freecure procs, then Cure II.

For accessories, I prefer the Mind with the Piety, instead of Mind and Spell Speed, so that may be helping too since the spells I've been using are more instant cast like Regen and Aero. For better or for worse, I have not been using Medica, but I imagine at some psychological risk to my party members.

[enthrop]

I actually just did the Titan fight myself as a 34 WHM.

On my first try, I had a BRD who didn't use Ballad till I asked. I popped an ether about halfway through the fight, and used mostly Cure 1/2s (on Free cure). Medica was used more liberally since I wasn't yet aware of how much damage would be going out at the later half of the fight. I found myself nearing OOM at about 25%, and that's when I asked my BRD to use Ballad, and that allowed us to win with 2/4 still left standing.

My second time around we didn't have a BRD, but this time I knew that MP would become an issue. I popped an ether nearly immediately, so that the cooldown on it could start. I had time to use a second one. This time, I was a lot more conservative with using Medica. It was close again, and I had to be very stingy at the end with deciding whom to heal, but I managed to win this time without a BRD and with everyone still alive, and about 50 MP left.

[Valiant]

from 1.0 healing to 2.0 healing as a whm... whm has decent mana regen as long as you dont purposefully over-heal... yea sch has more mana regen with aetherflow and energy drain but a whm is just as good if you learn to control your mana usage better. regen and cure 1 seem to go a long way... and the regen in medica stacks with the regen spell... would be worth remembering.

[SoopaMan2K]

from 1.0 healing to 2.0 healing as a whm... whm has decent mana regen as long as you dont purposefully over-heal... yea sch has more mana regen with aetherflow and energy drain but a whm is just as good if you learn to control your mana usage better. regen and cure 1 seem to go a long way... and the regen in medica stacks with the regen spell... would be worth remembering.

Yeah, after posting, I realised that it's all about MP Management.

[Syncness]

Hmm. I'll give my 2 cents. HM Titan down.

It's mostly about being smart with shroud, having party members that aren't shit and take unnecessary damage, knowing the strengths of healers and a little bit of team synergy.

Sub-shroud, you've got nothing really, so nothing to input here.

At 50, there are certain stages where you can fit a shroud before add spawns and have it off CD the next time it comes (Wall, Garuda etc)

Past that, it's having the tank pick up adds sometimes so that you don't waste a GCD on healing two targets (first boss AK, Garuda, although you'd be AoE healing Garuda anyway).

And also having DPS that aren't mentally challenged or lagging (getting out of weight, AK aoe zones etc).

Sometimes it's about knowing the fight inside out, such as possibly precasting med2 then med1 for titan jumps and stomps.

And finally it's about communication, if your bards have decent awareness, they'll ask for when you want song, and you'll tell them an ETA for OOM.