I just plain don't like the current battle system...

[Physic]

yeah thats a fine theory, which i may cosign on for some things, but even in that scenario, you re still going to have gear and some for of progression, basically making it so that skill will never be paramount.

Also though i enjoy the idea, a lot of other people want to keep the action element minimal, they dont want an rpg streetfighter or call of duty, IE the skill curve of battle is supposed to be more about what you choose to do rather than how skillfully you can pull it off.

The genre would be fun, and i cant wait for it, but its a different market i think

[RichardButte]

yeah thats a fine theory, which i may cosign on for some things, but even in that scenario, you re still going to have gear and some for of progression, basically making it so that skill will never be paramount.

Also though i enjoy the idea, a lot of other people want to keep the action element minimal, they dont want an rpg streetfighter or call of duty, IE the skill curve of battle is supposed to be more about what you choose to do rather than how skillfully you can pull it off.

The genre would be fun, and i cant wait for it, but its a different market i think

Then XIV needs to be about strategy in its battle system, but as it stands there isn't terribly much strategy to be found.

The strategy of "tank n' spank" seems to be the only one really required, and the small bits of strategy found in using class skills are very often unnecessary to actually win battles.

That's the only way this game would truly shine, if using a good strategy in a fight were to be the ONLY way to defeat certain monsters.

[Rentahamster]

yeah thats a fine theory, which i may cosign on for some things, but even in that scenario, you re still going to have gear and some for of progression, basically making it so that skill will never be paramount.

I see your argument, but what I'm trying to say is that we're not dealing in theory. There is an actual game out now like this, and it's called Tera.

I really really want FF14 to succeed, but my hardcore friends who left to play the Korean version of Tera rave on about it. If what they're saying is even half true, Tera is gonna blow FF14 away by comparison.

FF14 is not going to be free to play forever, and time is running out for the devs to get this game on track.

[Reika]

Y u keep advertising Tera >.>;

[Rentahamster]

Y u keep advertising Tera >.>;

Who, me?

I'm not. We can't have an honest discussion about FF14 if we bury our heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge the good points of other games out there.

In the real world, FF14 will have to face stiff competition from a lot of other games.

[RichardButte]

It ain't just Tera, either.

WoW is still going strong, a lot of people seem to like Rift and, crap, let's not forget SWTOR which already has somewhere to the tune of 2 million people signed up for and trying to get into the beta (myself and fiancee included...).

I hate to say it but if Yoshi-P pulls this one off, he should spend the rest of his life being hailed as a God among developers.

[DarkOrca]

To be honest, I'd rather see SE stop making gradual improvements and devote most of the resource to some ground-breaking changes that will make FF14 like a new game. What they should do is to stop doing these updates, hack up a prototype and make a super cool video that show us HOPE....and "re-launch" FF14 6 months later or something. Time is running out, nobody wants to wait indefinitely even though there is no monthly fee now.

Btw, has anyone tried Rift? I looked at it but it doesn't look interesting to me at all, perhaps I didn't look hard enough :P

[Achi]

I feel the same in the battlesystem there is no need for any bigger changes when you rank up

All just standing waiting for next behest its so easy so fast no need to chnge your abilities i just play same setup for my pug and tha

Behest is way to easy and no tactics at all all you do hit the mob weaponskill then to next no need to have any setup thats is the problem i think

Many people want it easy also i think but they could have done 2 versions of behest one hard for people who wanna use there abilities and skills and one for people who just wanna do it easy spam hit and WS and cure

One other version where you have to use right abilities and focus i hope for some real action where you have battles who is fun and exciting

[RichardButte]

I've actually given up on this game until they introduce some sweeping battle system changes.

It's just not even worth logging in for me, as far as I'm concerned, not even for easter hats. :P

[Micronowski]

I don't think they should dump everything completely just change how they use it. For example, stamina bars could be used only for melee's. They could then introduce stats like haste that makes it refill faster. Mages should be limited by casting times like in FFXI.

I think if they can get it to work properly the stamina gauge could feel like an ATB gauge from older FF games. nostalgia ftw