Are Fates Killing the Markets?

[Strov]

What they need to do to give crafters something to strive for is introduce material drops from high end Raids which then in turn can be sold to crafters and turn into good fucking gear that can in turn sold back on the market.
That part of the game is missing and it needs to be added if they want crafters to stick around longterm.

[Dreamer]

Lots of misinformation in this thread. Materia-melded crafted gear, especially HQ, is far better than anything you'll get as a drop of the same level from a dungeon.

[Darlantan]

Lots of misinformation in this thread. Materia-melded crafted gear, especially HQ, is far better than anything you'll get as a drop of the same level from a dungeon.

I already know this. But once again everything pre-50 is pretty much meaningless. Don't really need crafted gear since you can farm fates all day with terrible gear.

[hola]

I already know this. But once again everything pre-50 is pretty much meaningless. Don't really need crafted gear since you can farm fates all day with terrible gear.

even if there was no fate system, almost no one will waste money on buying gear for leveling. you wont be needing the gear in one or two days, why bother buying it?

in every single MMO rpg game, no one sells lv20 gear and no one buys it. it exists only serve the purpose of leveling your profession.

[Lumenbeing]

What is the purpose of the crafting system befor lvl 50? Its fun. Its just as fun (for me anyway) to level up a DoH as it is a DoW or DoM. Some people, myself included, relish the idea of being able to do EVERYTHING themselves. The point is not to make gil. I've been lvling all DoH together and that enables me to synth the HQ crafting gear I need to synth that HQ mat I need to synth the next lvl of HQ crafting gear... and on and on. It's like a puzzle to figure out how to max out my gear at each lvl all on my own.

Now as someone who remembers FFXI crafting, I have to say that the new system rocks. In FFXIV you had to farm NMs to get the gil to buy the basic mats you need to progress through any craft. People would camp the guild NPCs and buy up all the ore and leave you with nothing. So you'd HAVE to pay outrageous prices on the AH. And fighting over mining and logging nodes was even worse. The new system is brilliant.

[Darlantan]

even if there was no fate system, almost no one will waste money on buying gear for leveling. you wont be needing the gear in one or two days, why bother buying it?

in every single MMO rpg game, no one sells lv20 gear and no one buys it. it exists only serve the purpose of leveling your profession.

Except it wasn't like that in FFXI. But that was due to the fact that there wasn't any quests in FFXI not did mobs or dungoens drop items (other than NMs). So the bulk of the gear was sold by crafters. Plus it took quite some time to level.

However in this game you level fast, you can get gear from npc's, quests, mobs, and seals. It really makes crafters useless throughout 95% of the game. Might as well just remove it.

[mooney6023]

As a dungeon crawling PLD I regularly pay for HQ crafted gear on the market. If you don't want to be a drain on the party your gear needs to be within a few levels of your character. HQ gear unmelded is routinely better then anything but scarce/named gear from the highest dungeon level you have unlocked.

GC gear can fill some holes, but there will be HQ gear or scarce dungeon drops that outclass it in a level or two.

[Crowley]

Well it still better than 1.0

You had no options to buy those few mats for DoH recipes, and without crafting you had almost no options for gearing up (market, perhaps questing)

DoL is more or less to save money, as gil prices for mats can be high for new player. Costs of gear are 20x of what you can vendor DoH items for

Does mess with the economy a ton, but man was it hard to gear before. Still not much on market on my server, so I still craft almost everything for DoH items. (DoW/M seems easier other than legs lol)

[EvanderStoneguard]

I have no problem selling my crafted gear and jewelery. I personaly enjoy the crafting system because the developers did a good job at controling gil inflation with the NPCs selling crafted gear.

[Orophin]

Mostly I've used the markets for gathering equipment, assuming people actually list the items cheaper than NPCs since you can get pretty much all the DoL/DoH equipment from them.

I haven't used the AH for battle class gear at all as I've been able to keep up with gear through quests or dungeons.