Instant Dungeon

[Jinko]

But none of what you wrote has anything to do with the issue we are discussing, ie automatic party grouping and dungeon finders.

SE aren't amateur developers you are right, but they are less experiences in the MMO genre and PC gaming and it clearly shows, just look at a Korean MMO they are basically the same as a western MMO these days because those developers know a good idea when they see it.

SE's probleme is they feel as if they have to innovate and evolve everything, Market Wards is a very good example of this, the MW has basically reverted back to being an AH with lots of NPC's, if it ain't broke don't fix it, if its a good idea then incorporate it.

[Elexia]

But none of what you wrote has anything to do with the issue we are discussing, ie automatic party grouping and dungeon finders.

Ironically enough Yoshida already stated when the battle system redesign is done they're going to redo the party seeking mechanics, which is why I'm not sure someone would even begin to mention it needs to be redone as it's already been slated to be redesigned.

[Jinko]

Ironically enough Yoshida already stated when the battle system redesign is done they're going to redo the party seeking mechanics, which is why I'm not sure someone would even begin to mention it needs to be redone as it's already been slated to be redesigned.

Doesn't mean they don't appreciate the input and idea's of their fans, the very reason why these forums exist.

It seems to me that the dev's at SE haven't even played WoW, so perhaps they don't even realise what other MMO's are doing out there, I hope for Yoshi-p's sake he has played WoW.

[Rydin]

It seems to me that the dev's at SE haven't even played WoW, so perhaps they don't even realise what other MMO's are doing out there, I hope for Yoshi-p's sake he has played WoW.

I'd like to think the secret to making a good MMO isn't "Go play WoW"
So now anyone who hasn't played WoW is prohibited from making an MMO...
Here is the long and short of it... SE's initial concepts didn't work... some of them were good ideas that were poorly implemented while others were just plain bad ideas.
But having a bad idea doesn't mean you are forbidden from having any other ideas...
Truth be told, I don't even think most were bad ideas... just rushed and unfinished
MANY of the initial ideas and innovations could have worked if given enough love and effort....
Right now SE is looking for a balance of reused MMO ideas and brand new innovations. And personally... I'm very much looking forward to what they come up with
The only reason we are having all of these discussions is because, for the first time in SE history, we got to see a game this early in it's design phase

[Shiyo]

SE's probleme is they feel as if they have to innovate and evolve everything.

No ,no, no , no no! Everyone should be HAPPY, and excited that a company actually has the balls and smarts to try to be innovative, creative, and try new things. It's very rare for anyone to do this anymore. You should not be insulting the people for doing this, you should be cheering them on and excited they're willing to try new things.

Every other company is lame, and scared of trying new things. They just copy what works, and that's really boring. Every MMO since 2004 being a WOW clone is old and boring by now, we need to recreate the wheel. Why do you want to keep this trend? That's horrible, you make no sense, why would you want to play the same game OVER AND OVER AND OVER? I don't.

Edit: I hope SE doesn't play WOW, I don't want to play another version of WOW with different graphics, sorry.