Poor FFXIV

[Clydey]

Sorry dude, crappy games don't sell 6 million copies.

Also, the "lack of exploration" argument is very, very weak. There's no exploration in the vast majority of the previous FF games either. You can "wander the world"... but it doesn't get you anywhere. It's either just a bunch of random encounters while you see the mountains, forests and deserts they used as filler, or you find the rare town/city that you're not supposed to go to yet and are locked out of all the content.

There is no exploration. The "world map" is just there to give you the illusion. What they did in FFXIII was essentially "zoom in" on the characters. So instead of having a 3rd person and "orbital" view, you just have 3rd person.

Did you even play previous games in the series? Look at Final Fantasy VIII. There was a lot to be gained from exploration, so you really are spouting nonsense.

And sales figures have nothing to do with how good a game is. After all, how can any of those 6 million buyers determine whether or not they like the game until they play it?

[Benediction]

Did you even play previous games in the series? Look at Final Fantasy VIII. There was a lot to be gained from exploration, so you really are spouting nonsense.

And sales figures have nothing to do with how good a game is. After all, how can any of those 6 million buyers determine whether or not they like the game until they play it?

That may be true for the first few thousand sales, but if those people like the game... they will spread the word; whether on blogs, reviews or just by word of mouth. So as more and more people like and buy the game, these people will recommend it to their friends and it just perpetuates itself until it becomes like the game of the year or something. That's why you still see a few games that have been out for a while but stand in the BEST SELLERS section of gamestop.

This is why the first week sales are so important (when it meets the expected demand) in determining whether the game is a success or not.

[Ostia]

Did you even play previous games in the series? Look at Final Fantasy VIII. There was a lot to be gained from exploration, so you really are spouting nonsense.

And sales figures have nothing to do with how good a game is. After all, how can any of those 6 million buyers determine whether or not they like the game until they play it?

I'm pretty sure somebody said this, but Final Fantasy, is a brand name, the name alone sells games(Like this crappy game for example) i bought the game just because it said Final Fantasy, why ? Because i own every single FF main FF tittle, also people tend to forget that the first FF title in a next gen console outsells any other tittle in that console(FF7,FFX,FFXIII)

[Kaedan]

And sales figures have nothing to do with how good a game is. After all, how can any of those 6 million buyers determine whether or not they like the game until they play it?

Actually, it's one of the only hard determining factors we have. The first week FFXIII sold 1.5 million copies. Even if every single one of those people were the "bought it but didn't like it crowd" (which is ridiculously unlikely), that still leaves 4.5 million people that bought it with enough time to read the reviews.

Btw, FFXIII has an average score of 83-85/100. Sorry, not a crappy game.

And lol at the guy who claims that it's a fact the game sucks because the "common opinion on message boards and fansites is it sucks". Sorry man, A) that's still just your personal interpretation and B) that isn't backed by the evidence in any way.

[Clydey]

Actually, it's one of the only hard determining factors we have. The first week FFXIII sold 1.5 million copies. Even if every single one of those people were the "bought it but didn't like it crowd" (which is ridiculously unlikely), that still leaves 4.5 million people that bought it with enough time to read the reviews.

Btw, FFXIII has an average score of 83-85/100. Sorry, not a crappy game.

And lol at the guy who claims that it's a fact the game sucks because the "common opinion on message boards and fansites is it sucks". Sorry man, A) that's still just your personal interpretation and B) that isn't backed by the evidence in any way.

I read the reviews and bought it anyway. Like many, I buy every Final Fantasy game. The series has a following and it will sell millions of copies no matter what. It's a bit like saying 'Date Movie' was a great film because it was a box office success. Sales and quality do not always go hand in hand, particularly when you consider brand names and marketing.

[Kaedan]

I read the reviews and bought it anyway. Like many, I buy every Final Fantasy game. The series has a following and it will sell millions of copies no matter what. It's a bit like saying 'Date Movie' was a great film because it was a box office success. Sales and quality do not always go hand in hand, particularly when you consider brand names and marketing.

'Date Movie' didn't do well by movie sales standards. FFXIII did well by game sales standards. Your comparison is invalid.

[Clydey]

'Date Movie' didn't do well by movie sales standards. FFXIII did well by game sales standards. Your comparison is invalid.

Actually, it was a box office success. What determines financial success depends on a film's budget. The same goes for the equally horrendous Epic Movie and Meet the Spartans. All went to number 1 at the box office. So no, my comparison is not invalid.

But anyway, my point is pretty clear. Either way, I've spent a bit too much time arguing on here today.

[Kaedan]

Actually, it was a box office success. What determines financial success depends on a film's budget. The same goes for the equally horrendous Epic Movie and Meet the Spartans. All went to number 1 at the box office. So no, my comparison is not invalid.

But anyway, my point is pretty clear. Either way, I've spent a bit too much time arguing on here today.

Wrong. It did not make nearly as much money as the average "blockbuster". FFXIII did. Point is still invalid. Let it go.