Poor FFXIV

[Bled]

I'd like to point out, again actually. That FF13 follows the Final Fantasy Formula pretty well. As it was established in FF2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9. The only ones it deviates from are 1, 3, 10, 11, and 12.

1. Player is introduces to either the main character by themselves or a group of friends who the main character is a part of, all the other members get sidelined eventually by other main characters.

2. The player learns about the main character while going through a storyline that is very narrow, the game guides them along the way to a specific point and very little exploration is needed if at all possible. If there is a world map it isn't accessable yet, or it is and most of the rest of the world is blocked off or the monsters are too strong.

3. After advancing into the story, it splits and you take control of a different party for a short amount of time following an alternate event at the same time as an event you already witnessed.

4. Eventually all the parties come together and the ultimate Big Bad is revealed. The whole party engages the big bad and has a huge revelation that causes everyone to question what they are fighting for and who they are.

5a. Characters are now dumped into a world where the transportation is completely unlocked and for most purposes they can go anywhere in the game except storybased areas that have become locked down.

5b. The characters eventually get either Teleported to an alternate reality, end up on the moon/twin planet, or ceremoniously dumped onto open worldmap with the ability to explore the whole thing.

6. Once there they have to gather up a bunch of stuff, or are forced to experience things that make them change their minds about who they are once again. The Big Bad might come taunt them, or The groups possibly temporarily separate one last time and a party member might leave the game as being playable forever (Not just Aerith, Shadow can do it too, so do a lot of people from 2-4-5).

7. After the crisis in the party is over the party heads to the final dungeons, explores it and fights the big bad one last time. After defeating the big bad the party finds out more truths about what really has been happening, everything is attempted to be explained.

FF formula =/= just storyline
FF formula = Recurring elements such as plot themes, character names, and game mechanics

Edit: If your referring to just FF storyline formula you need to specify but i believe you got it right on the money in a general outline.

Storyline for the most part ends up being a group of people fighting a great evil, while exploring the characters inner struggles. Now just because a FF follows this theme still does not guarantee a good story, much like FF XII which attempted to follow this formula but followed it to the bare minimum thus inducing a snooze fest.

[Cairdeas]

FF13 has the reoccurring plot themes, character names, and game mechanics. It also has Chocobos, Tonberries and Cactaurs.

[Bled]

FF13 has the reoccurring plot themes, character names, and game mechanics. It also has Chocobos, Tonberries and Cactaurs.

I edited my last post so im not sure if you saw it before posting but like i said above. Just because a FF follows this theme still does not guarantee a good story, much like FF XII which attempted to follow this formula but followed it to the bare minimum thus inducing a snooze fest.

Square Enix is using the right equation to make a Final Fantasy but they are inserting all the wrong variables.

x= plot themes
y= Character names
z= Mechanics

FF formula:

X+Y+Z=21
FF7
13+2+6=21
FF8
3+1+17=21
FF13
4+2+8=21 ????

[Black_Rose]

rianshima, can you explain what you mean by "let's remember what FF used to be like".
i've played all of them expect for X-2, and tbh, i didn't see any flaws within the games.
FF is still what it used to be to be.
just with better graphics and a different story & gameplay with every game.
FF has been around for over 20 years now, and in total there are 14 games with pre/sequels and spin-offs,
if the games allways stay the same, just with a different story setting i think the games would have been long forgotten.

what i like about FF so much, and why i still buy it, is that none of them feel alike, while still wearing the same name.
of course, you can't allways expect top quality.
teams that used to work on older, or more sucessful titles don't allways work on newer titles.
but, that's the same with every game i think.

FFXIV is no exception.
while there are some flaws in the gameplay mechanics, it still offers what every other FF does.
and honestly, i think it has its good points aswell that currently this game is undergoing so many changes to make it more enjoyable.
after all our feedback is valuable, and this might lead to changes that some are really looking forward to.

don't hate the devs for trying something new, atleast they still show the interset in trying new things, and not just repeat what has worked once.

[Cairdeas]

In all theres over 50+ pierces of media (not including drawn artwork and music) with some tie to the name Final Fantasy, even if its just cameo characters like Erghiez.

[Speeral]

Zavier you make good posts but they need spaces. Please paragraph, wot not fun to read. But continue

[Mack]

let those of us who remember FF for what it used to be not have its good name tarnished by some of the crap you make these days. oh you guys gotta get back to making FF13-2, FF13 AGIATO ,FF13-VS okay have fun. lol yikes!

And let those of us who aren't so damn thick headed and still enjoy FF for what it is, still enjoy FF.

[Chezen]

On it's worst day, FF title games are still better than any other game out there. Except this one, which I still like a lot.

[Elexia]

Just because a game sells 6 million titles does not make it good. I bought the game first week and I didn't like it, just because I bought it didn't make it a good game, it sold 6 million copies because it had "Final Fantasy" before it. I didn't call it the worst game ever, but they did cut out all the exploration until the last 20% of the game............(thats really all I can say)

Honey bee, when games suck they don't sell a lot because word of mouth gets around and it will prevent sales. People seen streams, gotten info and etc on FFXIII a quarter of a year before it released to the west, it wouldn't have sold well in the west if it truly did bomb as a game.

Linearity in itself isn't a bad thing because people forget every FF game is linear till GENERALLY around the last half of the game, because you're typically "following a trail" and can rarely divert from that path due to invisible plot walls...FFXIII just had literal walls.

[Cairdeas]

let those of us who remember FF for what it used to be not have its good name tarnished by some of the crap you make these days. oh you guys gotta get back to making FF13-2, FF13 AGIATO ,FF13-VS okay have fun. lol yikes!

I've been playing Final Fantasy longer then most people have been alive. I was about 6 years old when FF1 came out and I was enthralled. I thought it was great fun going around stabbing goblins.

I've followed it and Square pretty hardcore since then. I've played numbers and numbers of their great games, and some of their not so great games.

The only FF I have ever had a problem with was FF8. Because Squall Dies.

Well not that he dies specifically I could care less about that. But more because the whole game just twisted and contorted till you couldn't understand what was happening. Then you saw pictures of Squall with no face. NO FACE.


Haunted my dreams for weeks.


Anyway. Final Fantasy is still my favorite game series, but Nier.... Nier is my favorite game of all time.