Poor FFXIV

[Kirith]

I'd like to point out, again actually. That FF13 follows the Final Fantasy Formula pretty well. As it was established in FF2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9. The only ones it deviates from are 1, 3, 10, 11, and 12.

Every form of entertainment industry follows a basic formula. Often not because it likes to, but because it's the only way to capitalize on people's enjoyment, which can be quite fickle. Movies, literature, music, anime... it's normal. Unfortunately following a formula only assures that you will sell your product to the general audience, not that it will be an exceptional or memorable product.
The mistake is here: some companies believe that throwing money at a crap product that follows a cheap formula will give them a masterpiece...all it does, and of this FFXIII is a prime example, is boost their sales thanks to publicity and hype.

Square-Enix may be a better company today that makes better games than it did before, but when compared to the old era's Square masterpieces... its new games are simply put to shame.

[Cairdeas]

Every form of entertainment industry follows a basic formula. Often not because it likes to, but because it's the only way to capitalize on people's enjoyment, which can be quite fickle. Movies, literature, music, anime... it's normal. Unfortunately following a formula only assures that you will sell your product to the general audience, not that it will be an exceptional or memorable product.
The mistake is here: some companies believe that throwing money at a crap product that follows a cheap formula will give them a masterpiece...all it does, and of this FFXIII is a prime example, is boost their sales thanks to publicity and hype.

Square-Enix may be a better company today that makes better games than it did before, but when compared to the old era's Square masterpieces... its new games are simply put to shame.

If a story can make me cry or become emotional through its already won in my book. Nier did it so hard though, It kept breaking you down constantly hitting you with these sad revelations. The story was epic. But sad as well.

From the Queen in the Desert being killed by wolves, to Emil/No.7 sacrificing himself to save Nier and Kaine. To Kaine having to deal with her physical differences to normal people, the ridicule she went through because of it and the anger that was bred into her.

It might have been developed by Cavia with SE staff members assisting and published by SE. but it was litterally the best story SE has released in a game since probably ROTZ.

[Mitsuhide]

I had fun with FFXIII.
People forgot that this wasnt even and JRPG, it was an action game, they told everyone but it seems most people just hear what they want to.
And i woner how many FFs were so bad that people scream "FF is dying"...how many FFs were that bad?...
I personally didnt like FXII but thats it, i dont understand why you want the same Game over and over, or do you want EA like Games every year with little to no changes...or CoDs?
Nostalgic is what kills the games nowadays.

[zaviermhigo]

I had fun with FFXIII.
People forgot that this wasnt even and JRPG, it was an action game, they told everyone but it seems most people just hear what they want to.
And i woner how many FFs were so bad that people scream "FF is dying"...how many FFs were that bad?...
I personally didnt like FXII but thats it, i dont understand why you want the same Game over and over, or do you want EA like Games every year with little to no changes...or CoDs?
Nostalgic is what kills the games nowadays.

Square Enix was quoted as saying that FFXIII will be its last jrpg, and that the new XIII titles will be action games, I can see it being an action game, but if FFXIII is an action game, its a slow moving one (i don't like action games, but those who do I don't think would of played FFXIII compared to like God of War)


Mass effect 2 to me was move like a movie, dragon age II did not have enough dev time (15 months after dragon age I), the only hope for rpg is maybe oblivion, western and japanese alike are streamlining, it was so linear, it was like FFXIII honestly I played the game and I read reviews, the real thing people didn't like about XIII was how linear it was. I'm waiting for dark souls also, demon souls had no plot and was almost all grinding but for some reason it was so GOOD and punishing, they said they made the sequel harder.

[Cairdeas]

FF13 has the reoccurring plot themes, character names, and game mechanics. It also has Chocobos, Tonberries and Cactaurs.

[Bled]

FF13 has the reoccurring plot themes, character names, and game mechanics. It also has Chocobos, Tonberries and Cactaurs.

I edited my last post so im not sure if you saw it before posting but like i said above. Just because a FF follows this theme still does not guarantee a good story, much like FF XII which attempted to follow this formula but followed it to the bare minimum thus inducing a snooze fest.

Square Enix is using the right equation to make a Final Fantasy but they are inserting all the wrong variables.

x= plot themes
y= Character names
z= Mechanics

FF formula:

X+Y+Z=21
FF7
13+2+6=21
FF8
3+1+17=21
FF13
4+2+8=21 ????

[Black_Rose]

rianshima, can you explain what you mean by "let's remember what FF used to be like".
i've played all of them expect for X-2, and tbh, i didn't see any flaws within the games.
FF is still what it used to be to be.
just with better graphics and a different story & gameplay with every game.
FF has been around for over 20 years now, and in total there are 14 games with pre/sequels and spin-offs,
if the games allways stay the same, just with a different story setting i think the games would have been long forgotten.

what i like about FF so much, and why i still buy it, is that none of them feel alike, while still wearing the same name.
of course, you can't allways expect top quality.
teams that used to work on older, or more sucessful titles don't allways work on newer titles.
but, that's the same with every game i think.

FFXIV is no exception.
while there are some flaws in the gameplay mechanics, it still offers what every other FF does.
and honestly, i think it has its good points aswell that currently this game is undergoing so many changes to make it more enjoyable.
after all our feedback is valuable, and this might lead to changes that some are really looking forward to.

don't hate the devs for trying something new, atleast they still show the interset in trying new things, and not just repeat what has worked once.

[Cairdeas]

In all theres over 50+ pierces of media (not including drawn artwork and music) with some tie to the name Final Fantasy, even if its just cameo characters like Erghiez.

[Speeral]

Zavier you make good posts but they need spaces. Please paragraph, wot not fun to read. But continue

[Mack]

let those of us who remember FF for what it used to be not have its good name tarnished by some of the crap you make these days. oh you guys gotta get back to making FF13-2, FF13 AGIATO ,FF13-VS okay have fun. lol yikes!

And let those of us who aren't so damn thick headed and still enjoy FF for what it is, still enjoy FF.