[dev1022] The Battle Regimen HATE thread and a ply for auto-attack

[Jinko]

Those are all sub categories of RPG, labeled as Action RPG, not the same as Final Fantasy XIV which is JRPG.

FF14 is actually an JMMO not a JRPG.

[Alcide]

BRs do lower DPS. Then make it up with extra damage. But does it lower DPS by freezing everyone in a limbo? Yes it does.
Think about it this way:
Lets say 5 players are doing a BR. The first one starts it, then four more stack up. From the first one triggering it, to the fifth one, each player is wasting stamina they could be using to attack.

On the other hand, if there was no queue menu and it was done like skillchains were done, people would still be able to whack the enemy in the meantime. Thats 4 players actively attacking.

You might be great at coordinating with your friends and unleashing BRs, but you can't deny there's a limbo. And that you could be doing something else in the meantime. Like casting a cure or triggering a provoke, or even increasing the DPS with a normal attack.

Not to mention that putting everything in an automatic menu takes away the fun/challenge entirely from the battle. You plan how it goes once. That's about it for BRs.

You're totally wrong, there's no way you could do the same damage without using BR, even if all the people are spamming, also because the stamina system prevents you from doing it. Actually the fact that you are stuck during BR is great also because it lets you recharge your stamina gauge.
The increased damage for the WS during BR compensates by far the fact that you stop DPS for a short time.

And the automatic menu doesn't take away the challenge, you still have to pay attention, you can't just throw in you skill there has to be an order, if you fail in that order the mob won't take the debuff and all of the skills after your one won't be buffed.
In exemple, in order to get the biggest damage buff there can't be two skills of the same class next to each other, if you happen to do it you have to take the skill away from the BR and put it again in the correct order, wich takes time and cause a loss of DPS. Also, there are different type of battle regimen, people usually think in the WS buff BR you can throw in any WS you've got, wrong, if you put in a WS from a class that is not yours you change the BR type into the "cross-class" one, that will cause a big loss in the increase of damage of the next skills. Last thing, the most important, you can get the damage buff even outside of the BR if you perform a skill at the same time it is released; this means that the tanker and the healers can join too and also that those that starts the BR can throw in 2 WS at once if they are trained to timing and cooperation (and to me this resemble a lot the SC/MB system a lot of people are asking for...) and obviousely if they have enough TP, wich adds more strategy making the classes that generate more TP start the BR.
Add the fact that in order to do massive damage everyone has to be properly buffed, this requires a lot of tactic due to the fact that you're stuck after joining: if everyone starts to buff after the Defense Down BR is performed the debuff will get off before the WS BR is release, so you want only the people that close the second one to join the first one, while those that open the second one starts buffing; this thing wouldn't exist if you were able to buff yourself after joining BR.

To get a perfect and fast BR with both defense and magic defense down debuff, all of the people buffed, the people outside BR joining too (and buffed too) is really hard. Knowing all of this things how can you say it isn't challenging?

[Reika]

SO. I was the last entry in a 6 person BR with Riot blade. 2374 damage!~!!

[Impulse]

personally who cares. You guys are over critical anyway.

You're the one who brought other games into it trying to make an argument.

BRs do lower DPS. Then make it up with extra damage. But does it lower DPS by freezing everyone in a limbo? Yes it does.
Think about it this way:
Lets say 5 players are doing a BR. The first one starts it, then four more stack up. From the first one triggering it, to the fifth one, each player is wasting stamina they could be using to attack.

On the other hand, if there was no queue menu and it was done like skillchains were done, people would still be able to whack the enemy in the meantime. Thats 4 players actively attacking.

You might be great at coordinating with your friends and unleashing BRs, but you can't deny there's a limbo. And that you could be doing something else in the meantime. Like casting a cure or triggering a provoke, or even increasing the DPS with a normal attack.

Not to mention that putting everything in an automatic menu takes away the fun/challenge entirely from the battle. You plan how it goes once. That's about it for BRs.

So you're telling me you'll have the capability to pull off multiple 2k+ damage skills within the matter of 2~4 seconds it should take to stack and execute a BR? Sure, maybe on a Lv1 mob.
Yes, there is indeed a limbo, though one that is so minuscule that it doesn't detract from DPS whatsoever, especially when there is an effect of 3~10x the normal damage following directly after a "limbo" of less than a few seconds.
I don't see where you get the notion that it takes no skill to plan and execute a BR; it clearly does seeing as you've tried before and failed to execute it properly whereas I picked it up right away.

I invite you to re-examine the following images and continue with your asinine statements:

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._3974065_n.jpg
2361 on a higher level mob. (Thanks for the image in the other thread Chard.)
and then:

http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/113092734-4.jpg

Wait, what? A 3k+ attack executed in a matter of seconds? Oh and look at that, a JP player saying BRs are fun? Imagine that.
Again, whatever limbo of a second or two there may be "detracting" from DPS, BR returns that ten-fold granted your group isn't a bit on the slow side and leaves you in queue for more than 3-5 seconds

[Firon]

I think what the op was trying to say is if both of you where fighting an mob with certain amount of hp and, would not die after 1 BR and u both input them in 2 secs the people with AA would do more dmg over time than the people without it cause they are attacking during the cuing session.

[Reika]

Look.... people... as long as people stop actively rebelling against the BR system, and participate with whatever skill they can offer QUICKLY, you will proceed to rape any encounter. It doesnt take much to click the BR button, then click an attack skill. You would be suprised how quickly your whole party can add a skill to the br. MAGES TOO. slackers..

[Dubont]

fact of the matter is, if you can't do BRs correctly, you're going to hate them. If you can do them correctly, you will love them. What we see here is a ton of people who can't do them correctly and are extremely butthurt that GOOD players can. I suggest you all go do some 4-5star leves and test out BRs. This "training" will help make you a better player and it will help make my eyes stop beating themselves from having to read your posts.

[Arcell]

It doesnt take much to click the BR button, then click an attack skill. You would be suprised how quickly your whole party can add a skill to the br. MAGES TOO. slackers..

Not to mention it's even quicker on a controller! Highlight the skill, hit the emote menu button. Your skill is now queued up for BR, unfortunately you still have to hit G to initiate.

[Impulse]

Not to mention it's even quicker on a controller! Highlight the skill, hit the emote menu button. Your skill is now queued up for BR, unfortunately you still have to hit G to initiate.

Exactly!
There's also the shift key+skill and middle mouse button options!
Wow, it's so damn complicated huh? Kids these days...

[Reika]

fact of the matter is, if you can't do BRs correctly, you're going to hate them. If you can do them correctly, you will love them. What we see here is a ton of people who can't do them correctly and are extremely butthurt that GOOD players can. I suggest you all go do some 4-5star leves and test out BRs. This "training" will help make you a better player and it will help make my eyes stop beating themselves from having to read your posts.

You can input some random ass BR's and still get debuffs. The point is, 8 person BR is more damage then 8 single attacks without it.

Hell. basic attack + WS (Different) gets you defense debuff. Basic attack + basic attack (Same) gets you attack debuff. It is not complicated folks lol.

Oh, you can put basic attacks in BR!