How valuable is the hardcore opinion?

[Neptune]

It's interesting the way schools of thought change. We have the same couple hundred MMO addicts here on the boards, and we once heard cries of "make FFXIV just like FFXI!" We successfully vanquished that school of thought but now the wounded animal has just changed from crying "FFXI" to "hardcore". Now Final Fantasy XIV isn't "hardcore" enough all of a sudden. ..Isn't it strange that no one said this in the beginning? It's just the desperate adaptive strategy of a disappointed FFXI veteran clinging to whatever form of life it can.

So, as I asked in my other thread directed at FFXI veterans..

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/3090-The-absent-players

..how valuable is your "hardcore" opinion?

Let's see, there are about 30,000 FFXIV players. This is "hardcore" players plus the rest of us. And then... there are the OTHER FFXIV players.. The ones that don't view topics on the forums and don't answer player's polls... SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND other, fellow, FFXIV players, with a FFXIV DVD collecting dust somewhere in their house.

If Square Enix suddenly implemented all of your hardcore suggestions to appease you, they would bring in less than 10% of what it costs to run this game. Your demands are only good enough to run FFXIV in to the ground.

It's responding to the needs of millions of other people.. starting with 600,000 fellow FFXIV players.. that FFXIV is going to have a future. So when questioning the motivation of any forthcoming patch.. keep in mind who's bought the majority of FFXIV copies.. 600,000 people taking a silent stand. The day I see a "hardcore" forum thread with 600,000 views will be the day I give credence to the demands in that thread.

FFXIV is going to reward real hardcore players just as every MMO in existence does. But let's distinguish between real hardcore players and a bunch of FFXI veterans that suddenly changed their label so they could get what they want at the expense of at least 600,000 people.

[TheVedis]

Instead of going into some long essay on it

answer it with something simple


"Its just as valuable as any other persons opinion"

[Cairdeas]

It has been appraised an found flawed and valueless.

[Neptune]

Instead of going into some long essay on it

answer it with something simple


"Its just as valuable as any other persons opinion"

What, to God? Maybe, but that's not the question I'm asking. The question is, "How valuable is the hardcore opinion to making FFXIV a successful game?"

[TheVedis]

What, to God? Maybe, but that's not the question I'm asking. The question is, "How valuable is the hardcore opinion to making FFXIV a successful game?"

and ill reply with the same answer
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you can not ignore anyones opinion as everyone is a potential customer when it goes p2p

there is no right and wrong, except where you segregate players


and all this hardcore vs casual BS needs to stop you people are making too many threads on it

[SilvertearRen]

Hardcore opinions are irrelevant. They are only interested in content only THEY can access - meaning, they don't want content that even casuals can get to. A friend of mine pointed this out to me, and I think it's an absurd, self-centered mentality.

This is why I don't hang out with most hardcore players - they rub me the wrong way.

That said, hardcore players are good for in-depth criticisms of game mechanics and the like, but when it comes to items, monsters, and other worldly mechanisms that we can tangibly interact with, they start getting greedy and don't think about the position other players are dealing with in relation to them.

AKA: If you can't empathize, your opinion is worth as much as a chocobo's dropping.

[Neptune]

and ill reply with the same answer
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you can not ignore anyones opinion as everyone is a potential customer when it goes p2p

there is no right and wrong, except where you segregate players


and all this hardcore vs casual BS needs to stop you people are making too many threads on it

I don't think their opinion should be ignored either.. the question is should some of the demands be made considering we want to play a successful game. Anyway I'm disappointed you are in here TheVedis. Your head is screwed on straight. It's the sick that need a doctor.. not the well!

[TheVedis]

Hardcore opinions are irrelevant. They are only interested in content only THEY can access - meaning, they don't want content that even casuals can get to. A friend of mine pointed this out to me, and I think it's an absurd, self-centered mentality.

This is why I don't hang out with most hardcore players - they rub me the wrong way.

That said, hardcore players are good for in-depth criticisms of game mechanics and the like, but when it comes to items, monsters, and other worldly mechanisms that we can tangibly interact with, they start getting greedy and don't think about the position other players are dealing with in relation to them.

AKA: If you can't empathize, your opinion is worth as much as a chocobo's dropping.

you have no idea what a hardcore player is

Hardcore means you play WAY WAY too much basicaly

not "you have access and want access to stuff others dont have"

Hardcores tends to have more and be furhter purely because they play that much more, that is the only defining trait of them.


I am hardcore, do i care if casuals have access to stuff? hell no i dont

[SilvertearRen]

you have no idea what a hardcore player is

Hardcore means you play WAY WAY too much basicaly

not "you have access and want access to stuff others dont have"

Hardcores tends to have more and be furhter purely because they play that much more, that is the only defining trait of them.


I am hardcore, do i care if casuals have access to stuff? hell no i dont

I'm talking about the worst kind of hardcore player.

[Dreamer]

you have no idea what a hardcore player is

Hardcore means you play WAY WAY too much basicaly

not "you have access and want access to stuff others dont have"

Hardcores tends to have more and be furhter purely because they play that much more, that is the only defining trait of them.


I am hardcore, do i care if casuals have access to stuff? hell no i dont

If you read through the other bajillon threads on the topic, the "you have access and want access to stuff others don't have" mentality is rather prevalent.