The hell was square thinking with mining/botanist.

[storied_hero]

people complain about it being "hard" when it takes people THREE DAYS to LVL to 50.....

I'd like to know what you're doing to level so fast, but if that's true then what's wrong with it taking 2.5 days then?

[NICKYMON]

Increasing the EXP rate for DoL!? How about keeping it where it is and DECREASING the speed for DoH. People are powerleveling through DoH by means of others giving them HQ mats and now they are demanding faster 50s on a mild grind (it's really not that bad on DoL).

Anything crafted and gathered is going to be of little value if the market continues to be over-saturated. If everyone can just solo crafting and gathering quickly and with ease, it really puts others out of work. Where are you going with non-battle jobs? Are they meant to be for the player to supply themselves only or to enhance the market flow?

[Dorin]

Increasing the EXP rate for DoL!? How about keeping it where it is and DECREASING the speed for DoH. People are powerleveling through DoH by means of others giving them HQ mats and now they are demanding faster 50s on a mild grind (it's really not that bad on DoL).

Anything crafted and gathered is going to be of little value if the market continues to be over-saturated. If everyone can just solo crafting and gathering quickly and with ease, it really puts others out of work. Where are you going with non-battle jobs? Are they meant to be for the player to supply themselves only or to enhance the market flow?

Sounds to me like you probably did the same and now you want everyone to level up slower so they can't catch up with you (and your crafting linkshell) as easily.

Crafting leves are the only leves that are worth it in the game, sure, let's nerf them. Wait no, actually let's not.

[NICKYMON]

Sounds to me like you probably did the same and now you want everyone to level up slower so they can't catch up with you.

I did no such thing, tyvm. I'm a main crafter and gatherer since before ARR, and I know much of this because people keep asking me to make them finshed gear at HQ to "PL" their crafts...

But we're not talking about me here, we're talking about classes that are losing legitimacy because of their ease and I just want to know if SE is turning DoH/L into a soloable thing for everyone to just do for the individual's own progress or will it be something that will actually be considered a profession again where others can rely on you (repairs, mats, finished gear, melding).

Also, the market on my server is quite backwards and materials are often worth way more than finished gear. Something has to change. Whatever happens, I'll be happy to see a balance between gathering and crafting to alleviate these price gaps.

[Kherza]

Increasing the EXP rate for DoL!? How about keeping it where it is and DECREASING the speed for DoH. People are powerleveling through DoH by means of others giving them HQ mats and now they are demanding faster 50s on a mild grind (it's really not that bad on DoL).

I have to somewhat agree. I don't think DoH should be as slow/tedious as DoL but it definitely needs to be toned down. With an alright amount of gil (some DoH require less) and knowledge of DoH you can do 1-50 in a day with those repeatable crafting leves. While this is nice and makes leveling easy, it doesn't feel like you worked hard for it. It feels a lot like buying your way to 50 (RMT anyone?). I feel like a speed somewhere between the two professions would be acceptable. Increase DoL exp rate, reduce DoH and equal amount. That's my two cents.

[roohan]

My personal thought on this is that DoH can level really quick but everyone does act like you can do levequest with HQ synths all day long. Cause I can't do that. I don't have enough gil to buy those HQ materials and not everything can be gathered either. The question is what SE thinks about the right amount of xp a class should get. And in case of Mining/Botany its definatly too slow. Someone said that leveling DoM/DoW is even slower but that's not true. Compared to miners/botanists you can spam fates, do story quests and leeves all day long.

And another thing is that you shouldn't think in short terms. SE will increase the level cap some day and at this rate it would be horrible to level miner/botanist to something like level 75 and one million xp per level. We're not even close to the maximum level this game is going to have now.

[KisaiTenshi]

We had a minigame/ QTE in 1.0. People complained and they took it out. Now you just... select your item.

V1's was super slow, it would take 5 minutes to mine one node, and everything you got was RNG. All V2 needs to "fix" this is to shuffle the positions into quantities (eg if you have a higher rank DoL you either get 1xitem at 100% or 2xitem at 60% or something)

Instead of making Miner and Botanist even more pointless by making it super easy to level you guys should have focused more on making crafting and gathering classes worth a damn at endgame instead of borderline useless.

I'll agree that crafting seems to be completely pointless since everyone can just buy non-HQ gear from NPC's. How about making the NPC's actually "buy" the items from retainers for the best price passed along to the player when an item is bought from a NPC?

[Tiraelina]

V1's was super slow, it would take 5 minutes to mine one node, and everything you got was RNG. All V2 needs to "fix" this is to shuffle the positions into quantities (eg if you have a higher rank DoL you either get 1xitem at 100% or 2xitem at 60% or something)

No, no it did not. If it ever took you longer than a minute you were doing it wrong. It's also ignoring that you had 8 attempts per node instead of this awful 4. Zero interactivity now and you spend even more time running around. Each node also had its own items, everything was not random.

[Classikal]

Well, I'm sure you all are happy that you got your way about the EXP being too low with your grade school whining, even though you can easily get 200-300k/hour off of nodes very easily. I see very soon people crying about why everything on the AH from gathering is only worth 1-2 gil very soon, as everyone and their mother with have all the gathering crafts at 50 within a month. Sits back and watches the retardism. /popcorn.

[Lyein]

It's not the time it takes to level that bothers me and many others. Its just the tedium. Fixing _that_ however takes much more work than just pushing some numbers higher. The devs have way too much work on their hands as it is to work in DoL quest-lines or dungeons or FATEs or anything from scratch to address this problem. Boosting the XP is a band-aid, but we can't expect more than a band-aid with so many other things needing addressing.

Honestly... I'd be fine with 40-50 taking twice as long (it really does go fast for an MMO) if it wasn't just 'run node-to-node and watch TV'. I couldn't play my combat classes if leveling up meant 6 leves in an hour and 8 more hours grinding mobs. I've played that game before, it took one day to drop the game once I had to grind the next two levels out to reach the next quest-line.

This certainly isn't the answer; but I'm very happy that they're at least addressing it as much as they can at the moment.