Gaining SP/EXP - Moving forward

[Betelgeuzah]

The concept of grouping with an unlimited amount of people for never ending guildleves is asinine. The reality is you group with your friends, your LS mates, or a pick up you happen to meet up with. You do your leves, and go on your way. YOU are left with 0 content until those timers are reset unless SOMEONE ELSE has not consumed their content yet.

The reality is the exact same it was in XI. You didn't group up with "your friends or LS" for the good majority of the time. Guildleves are no different. As far as they are concerned, nothing stops you from doing exactly what people did in XI- group with strangers. Yes, a better party search is needed. Yet there is no sense to temporarily 'fix' the problem when a better party search is coming either way that would, with your suggestion, raise even more problems.

People grouped in MMM just as well as any other. And that content wasn't even the primary content for people to exp on. That content only had one run per person per day and it still worked. There is nothing, I repeat, nothing, about this system that is different. Of course you need a combat and group system as well as search that supports this kind of progression (something that XI had)- and those are the problems that need to be dealt with.

Lets propose this: You've done your leves already, And someone from your LS says "hey lets do some R30 leves" You want in on this obviously. But 7 other people in your LS pipe up and say "I have R30 leves available." Now why would that person choose to invite YOU over someone who can net them more XP?

I do not have to cling to an LS to get something done. Maybe you do, at this point in the game's life, but if this is what the game is going to be like then it is going to be a dead game and there is no need for further discussion. There will either be much more people to play with, or the game will die. And when there are more people to play with, there are groups who want you to join them. All you need is something light to do in-between if you have to wait. And when you can make up a system that is available to you whenever you want and has a party focus, come and tell us about it- you've hit a goldmine. Dungeon finder is not acceptable.

Why should content designed for parties and casuals with little playtime be available whenever? They are available when the conditions for the content have been met. This is the case with any group content you can come across. Every single one of them.

I know it's hard to try to interact with strangers on the interwebs but I sure you can if you try. The world doesn't revolve around your bff's or your linkshell. How does one make new friends? Not by sticking to his own little group all the time, that's for sure. You get no sympathies from me, and hopefully not from developers either. "I play an MMO so I can just stick to my own company all the time."

Yes, I do get it.

But take Fields of valor for example.

Ah yes, fields of valor that gave you maybe 10% of the SP as opposed to a single leve. You could do your leves, then go grind mobs for 8 hours, and you'd still be better off than doing all the FoV available to you.

"But I want to do more mundane tasks for exactly the same reward! DO YOU GET IT?"

You want everything to revolve around your LS and friends. I get it. I don't agree. I am disgusted. If you don't want any outside interaction aside from your friends, you get no sympathies from me. I hope that SE will never, ever do what you are proposing. We don't need closed off communities, Japanese playerbase is more than enough for me.

[ChiefCurrahee]

No, I don't want everything to revolve around my LS and friends. YOU don't seem to get it.

Currently, I log in. I use the PT search feature I see 0 people forming a PT. I flag up that I'm looking to do some R30 leves. I wander over to a camp and I start to kill mobs, or i craft a little. I ask in 1 of my 5 LS if anyone wants to link leves. I get a ton of people saying they have no more leves til reset but they will join. and a few that have leves but none for the camp I have them in. We grp we do the leves, and ~1hr later after it's all done. There are no more quests left to do 'til the reset happens in god knows how many more hours.
I log out.

Now this is what i want:

I want to log in, and be able to pick up guildleves. I want to group with my friends, I want to group with my LS I want to group with strangers. I want content that supports those efforts, for anyone and everyone, whenever and wherever.

The answer is to reduce the timers on guildleves so the confines of the 36 hours reset is less ridged and more conducive to actually letting people match quests up on a more regular basis.
How can you argue against that?

Will rates of SP/EXP have to be reduced? YES.

Will you have to partake in more leves to gain the same amount of SP/EXP? YES.

Will you have more opportunities to grp with more people? YES.

Will you be presented with content whenever you choose to play? YES.


Now we can have a pissing match on who has a better idea to create more interactions between players.

I prefer that SE creates the opportunity use use their main content on a more regular basis by reducing the timers on guildleves and reducing the bonus given from defeating those mobs. The time between leve PTs can be used to grind or craft.

From what I gather, you prefer:
the main content of the game being available on 36 cooldowns, and the time in between, grinding on world mobs searching for the off chance that someone hasn't consumed their content yet. Until the next reset when you get your next big boost.

[Betelgeuzah]

Currently, I log in. I use the PT search feature I see 0 people forming a PT.

Hey, look, I found out what your problem is! Party search needs work. Combat needs work. The servers are empty.

Fix those, and there is no need to even think about your silly suggestions.

I want content that supports those efforts, for anyone and everyone, whenever and wherever.

Nope. You want content that supports those efforts right now with all the other flawed systems that are going to get fixed.

I don't want SE to spend needless resources to bandaid fix something for the tiny excuse of a playerbase divided between what, 10+ servers? I want them to fix the game effectively and not take any detours because of some self-entitled precious unique snowflake player that demands attention.