The bot i found that SE wont do anything about

[Speeral]

This thread is so stupid lol

I guarantee half of you don't pay for music, don't pay to see films, avoid tax's, steal from work, torrent software, download your porn for free.

All hypocrites lol. Cheating life there, and that is illegal by law. Not some virtual service.

RMT and Botting are 2 separate things btw. stop mixing them up. One is just doing something for you, the other is selling intellectual products you don't have the rights to.

It wouldn't surprise me if some of you stand outside your neighbours house and protest that he hasn't cut his lawn and its just not right to not cut the lawn! So you have to stick your nose in!

I lol'd ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
watch out if that meighbour catches you picking your nose as you walk by his house . . .

[PrettyPrincess]

This thread is so stupid lol

I guarantee half of you don't pay for music, don't pay to see films, avoid tax's, steal from work, torrent software, download your porn for free.

All hypocrites lol. Cheating life there, and that is illegal by law. Not some virtual service.

RMT and Botting are 2 separate things btw. stop mixing them up. One is just doing something for you, the other is selling intellectual products you don't have the rights to.

It wouldn't surprise me if some of you stand outside your neighbours house and protest that he hasn't cut his lawn and its just not right to not cut the lawn! So you have to stick your nose in!

The funny thing is, you're absolutely right, but some people will disagree either way because they're too proud to admit it.

[Peregrine]

This thread is so stupid lol

I guarantee half of you don't pay for music, don't pay to see films, avoid tax's, steal from work, torrent software, download your porn for free.

All hypocrites lol. Cheating life there, and that is illegal by law. Not some virtual service.

RMT and Botting are 2 separate things btw. stop mixing them up. One is just doing something for you, the other is selling intellectual products you don't have the rights to.

It wouldn't surprise me if some of you stand outside your neighbours house and protest that he hasn't cut his lawn and its just not right to not cut the lawn! So you have to stick your nose in!

Society gets to label people who break the law however they want.
We don't like pedophiles. We don't like botters.
Weed smokers, whatever.

Teenage concrete operational thought demands that all criminals be treated the same. Teens don't even run this online world, let alone the real one.

[AngryNixon]

lol too funny.

Also, did the title of this thread strike anyone as a good name for a children's book ?

[PrettyPrincess]

The only bots I have problems with are claim bots, and bots that hack through walls and attack things on the other end of the map. (There was one such bot in Nanawa for some time, I found it amusing to see it start attacking and then go through the wall).

[Kallera]

If SE kicked the botters it would have at least 25% less paying customers, probably more like 40-45%. SE is a buisness and as much as you would them to be on your side, they are for profit. Time will tell but I can pretty much garuntee you there will be no boting crackdown anytime soon.

Just where are you pulling this number with a suspiciously wide margin of error from?

I want SE to be on its own side, being lax with the enforcement of bots and rmt is going to be bad for the long term of the game, and it is bad now, they are not paying for the game yet, so they are offering no benefit whatsoever other than providing a basis for undermining the game , its community, and potential profits.

Running roughshod over the TOS isn't a way to commercial success. Neither are your fallacious claims about who plays this game.

[Xandre]

This thread is so stupid lol

I guarantee half of you don't pay for music, don't pay to see films, avoid tax's, steal from work, torrent software, download your porn for free.

All hypocrites lol. Cheating life there, and that is illegal by law. Not some virtual service.

RMT and Botting are 2 separate things btw. stop mixing them up. One is just doing something for you, the other is selling intellectual products you don't have the rights to.

It wouldn't surprise me if some of you stand outside your neighbours house and protest that he hasn't cut his lawn and its just not right to not cut the lawn! So you have to stick your nose in!

Though this may be true to some degree, these examples do not deal with SE or the game, so they are not viable examples to support your argument. Not to mention the idea of "cheating" in terms of one aspect permits the "cheating" in another is a poor excuse. There's also no need for name calling. In the end, players can continue to justify the use of third-party tools or what have you, but they'll find that they will be wasting their time in regards to the STF.

[viion]

Though this may be true to some degree, these examples do not deal with SE or the game, so they are not viable examples to support your argument. Not to mention the idea of "cheating" in terms of one aspect permits the "cheating" in another is a poor excuse. There's also no need for name calling. In the end, players can continue to justify the use of third-party tools or what have you, but they'll find that they will be wasting their time in regards to the STF.

You seriously cant justify my response lol

You cheat in game because you cant be bothered to earnt it yourself.
You cheat irl because you cant be bothered to earn it yourself

Weather you skip earning £5 to see a movie or level to 50, its all skipping shit.
Skip 6 months of working so you can get that legitimate photoshop software, or download it for free in an hr or so, aka (on a smaller scale) work months to get 50 or have a bot do it day/night and have it in a few days.

Yes its "cheating" in game, but irl you're cheating the system put in place to try prevent you from ripping movies or cracking software. But cheating can just also be defined as "To yourself"

People who cheat are just cheating themselfs, it is not directly affecting another in most cases. Just like how people cheat in single player games. You cant ever say you didnt go through your cheatbook as a kid to get godmode and unlimited cash on your fave game. This type of cheating is just ruining the experience for oneself, and why would you care about other peoples experience?

Bots will get banned eventually, but not until SE has made money because like said before, SE is a business at the end of the day, its all about profit, and they probably know how big the bot % is. So you just have to live with it for now until they start affecting you, then SE will ban. Get on with the game and stop being so jealous/upset by something that doesn't affect your gameplay.

PS. Dont even say "they been botting these mobs in x place for ages now so its affecting me " cuse a legit could do that lol.

[chime85]

You seriously cant justify my response lol

You cheat in game because you cant be bothered to earnt it yourself.
You cheat irl because you cant be bothered to earn it yourself

Weather you skip earning £5 to see a movie or level to 50, its all skipping shit.
Skip 6 months of working so you can get that legitimate photoshop software, or download it for free in an hr or so, aka (on a smaller scale) work months to get 50 or have a bot do it day/night and have it in a few days.

Yes its "cheating" in game, but irl you're cheating the system put in place to try prevent you from ripping movies or cracking software. But cheating can just also be defined as "To yourself"

People who cheat are just cheating themselfs, it is not directly affecting another in most cases. Just like how people cheat in single player games. You cant ever say you didnt go through your cheatbook as a kid to get godmode and unlimited cash on your fave game. This type of cheating is just ruining the experience for oneself, and why would you care about other peoples experience?

Bots will get banned eventually, but not until SE has made money because like said before, SE is a business at the end of the day, its all about profit, and they probably know how big the bot % is. So you just have to live with it for now until they start affecting you, then SE will ban. Get on with the game and stop being so jealous/upset by something that doesn't affect your gameplay.

PS. Dont even say "they been botting these mobs in x place for ages now so its affecting me " cuse a legit could do that lol.

So you entire argument hinges that we all break the law and effectively take things irl without earning it? Sorry, but you don't know if that is true or not. And to flag that up as some way of saying it is ok to cheat is completely out of context with what this thread is saying.

1) there are obvious bots
2) they ruin in game echonomy
3) IF SE are doing anything about this, what is it?
4) how can we spot them?

By what you're saying, you think that because you assume we are breaking the law irl, it is perfectly fine to break the rules in-game. What was the old saying, "two wrongs dont make a right".

It is silly to even suggest that bots do not effect the game, they do. And it's even sillier to grasp at straw like justification as to why they are ok here.

Kimiko x

[viion]

So you entire argument hinges that we all break the law and effectively take things irl without earning it? Sorry, but you don't know if that is true or not. And to flag that up as some way of saying it is ok to cheat is completely out of context with what this thread is saying.

1) there are obvious bots
2) they ruin in game echonomy
3) IF SE are doing anything about this, what is it?
4) how can we spot them?

By what you're saying, you think that because you assume we are breaking the law irl, it is perfectly fine to break the rules in-game. What was the old saying, "two wrongs dont make a right".

It is silly to even suggest that bots do not effect the game, they do. And it's even sillier to grasp at straw like justification as to why they are ok here.

Kimiko x

I never said it was fact did i? But its a high probability. You downloading music/films is ruining the music/film industry. Downloading software is causing price spikes.


Theres people in this thread who keep saying "we will save you, you dont understand how they affect you"

What the fuck does this mean seriously lol what are you saving me from?

They spiking prices up on items? Good, I will get the item and sell it at the jacked price, Win lol.

I played XI for 6 years which had some serious botting issues and it was awesome, when I could sell dusk gloves for like 3m and SH for 10m. Now they like 2k lol So I cant make anything from them (even prior to cap increase)

Also what does claiming have to do with anything? Hell if I claimed something legit and got a rare drop, sorry but im going to jack the shit out that item as I want to make the most money, Everyone is going to, you're kidding yourself if you think people are going to be "fair" on prices and not over charge

We've already seen this with synthed items, you remember when christmas event was out and you had to make the costume, people were selling it for like 100-200k and even the items to make it for 50k, stupidly over priced because NO ONE CARES ABOUT ANYONE ELSE its that simple lol you want to make the most money you can.

things like NM's you cant even do in bulks daily like shards because of pop timers and stuff, so the price will turn out the same weather there are bots or not. And as proven by current prices bulk-crafted items gets competitive very easily and price is reduced.

Also RMT/Botters dont work tather, if 5 people go get some super rare item in a week

1st guy puts it up for 1'000'000
2nd guy comes along, okay he wants his to sell, so he does 900'000
3rd guy comes along, he also wants to sell, 850'000
1st guy like damn i better change 830'000

And eventually it goes down.

I know friend who bought like Bhaj +1 for 2m, then 1 week later its 300k lol that was prior to market ward price visible.

I bought my vintage cloak for 2m little over a month ago, it is now like 350k lol because people get competitive, weather they botted the rank to make it or not the price shot down.