The bot i found that SE wont do anything about

[Ostia]

Mob rule is a perfectly fine way to enforce rules in a MMO. We should decide what kinds of players we do and don't play with, because their playstyle impinges on our game.

If we don't want to play with players who 10-box clones for gil or gain, then so be it. Perfectly fine. We have more say than them. If we consider them a threat to our entertainment, they need to find another MMO to 10-box.

Same way with how hardcore or casual you want to make your game. You're telling SOMEONE, somewhere to walk on by and keep looking.

Tell 10-boxers to kindly leave, because we don't really want them around playing like freaks.

On initial gut reaction, taking a cruise to Haiti shortly after the earthquake seems wrong, Objectively speaking, you are doing more good by taking the cruise than not.

In the same way, you are doing more good by banning all these 10-boxing cloners than letting them have the right to play. Does it feel like 1984? A little. Is it? No. It's a good move.

Get rid of them. See who actually complains.

Wow.... you are serious ?

[Radaghast]

My point is it's too easily abusable. Not just for RMT's but for any disputes in general. If all it took was a report without any actual investigating, it'd be a dead server within a short amount of time. Don't like that jackass you just grouped with? Report and ban. Don't like that guild that just outclaimed your NM? Cya. Hell I know guys that would just login and report people just for fun if there was a system like that in place.

[Peregrine]

Objective criteria is the key to appropriate refusal of service. You don't have a shirt. You don't have shoes. You are asking customers for money. You use 10 lalafell R4 conjurers to siphon leve money onto yourself with. We don't serve people who do that.

Liking...no one said ban them for not liking them, even though that is also true.

[Peregrine]

Wow.... you are serious ?

Completely serious. Refuse to serve players who take 10 low-level characters around to guildleves so they can sell all the loot for themselves. That is perfectly within Square Enix's right. It does the game a balancing service. It is the correct decision if you can't prove they're selling that gil that they make. You don't have to. You can simply not serve players who do that and ask them to leave the game.

They're either RMT or they're players who are making gil in unintended ways. Get em out of the game. It's good. Stop balking and think.

[Kallera]

As a less draconian measure, you could make the anima amount count for all characters. (I have 50 anima and port to grid,ending with 47 anima, if I switch characters, I'll still have 47 anima.)

It can also set up the need for alternate transportation.

[Kallera]

Mob rule is a perfectly fine way to enforce rules in a MMO. We should decide what kinds of players we do and don't play with, because their playstyle impinges on our game.

After seeing the forums, the last thing we need is to give the players a way to rip each other apart.

[Peregrine]

After seeing the forums, the last thing we need is to give the players a way to rip each other apart.

Players wouldn't need to. Square Enix could be the bad guy and tell them to leave. Again, it is perfectly reasonable to refuse service based on objective criteria that is deemed counter-product and counter-image. Square Enix cannot afford the image of allowing 10-boxing lalafell clone gil factories. It makes their product look bad to legitimate players. It makes gil aquisition difficult to balance. It hurts this product. So refuse service to those players. There's nothing wrong with that.

When nerfing mechanics to prevent harmful gameplay interferes with your day to day lives of regular players, it's time to ask the people whose playstyle that is harmful to simply cease the activity or have services refused if they're caught with 10 clones again doing leves.

Again, there is nothing wrong with that. We reserve that right as a player base. They reserve that right as a game developer.

People, RMT, cheaters, will say they have the right to make as many clones and box as many characters as they wish because it doesn't break any rules, when no. They don't. We don't have to put up with them. We have the luxury of being able to ban Hillsboro Baptist Church if they show up to a Graveyard, because this isn't a democracy and they can't hide behind the law and Terms of Service.

They don't even have the right to play this product if Square so much as says they don't. RMT are counting on Square Enix being afraid to deny services, because they can't 100% prove there's not a real player behind that account.

Square should call their bluff and ban every 10-box clone group if they're caught doing it again. We all know they're RMT. We all know the game's better off without them. So do it already. There is no slippery slope. Ban them and for once in RMT's lives, scare them.

[DarkRain]

so agree. ill add the new video tomorrow. I did at the Bot that i seen boting in Nanawa. I added another vid of him but this time he is in the markets in Ul'Dah. sorry but the camra was sideways lol. but you get the idea

[viion]

I find it very sad you spend most of your time filming and watching for bots lol is the game really that bad?

Still not affected by bots. Oh wait I lie I've got cheap shards and materials and sold millions worth of shards and crystals in bulk, thanks bots!

[DarkRain]

Viion why is it you support botting? I mean i had a few posts about botting that you commented on and when you did comment thay were all in support of the bots? Why is that. I mean i could only guess that you might be one of the people who have a Alt. And that alt is a craft bot? i mean you say yourself you buy a ton of shards from them. So in turn it makes me wonder why?

If people dont do anything about it, it will just grow bigger and bigger. If it was ok to bot in the game dont you think we would allready have a "How to" auto this or that in the game manual?

Also Viion why is it everytime i made a Botting post you agree with the botters? Then try to get the post removed? ( im sure it was you) You look so foolish defending botting. out of 8.000 views and 189 comments only you and maybe one or two other people dont care if theres botting or not. You know i posted FFXIVs Terms of service on a page a few pages back. I guess i need to refresh your memory again

2. LICENSE LIMITATIONS
The Game is a carefully controlled environment designed to provide the maximum level of enjoyment for all players. In order to preserve an enjoyable experience for all users, and to protect the intellectual property rights of SQUARE ENIX, the activities identified in this Section 2 (“License Limitations”) are strictly prohibited and violate the conditions or limitations on your license to use the Game. Therefore, any use of the Game in violation of such restrictions exceeds the scope of the License granted to you and constitutes infringement of your license, and is grounds for immediate revocation of your license. Use of the Game in excess of these provisions, or use at all after your license is revoked (including loading the Game into your computer’s RAM), infringes SQUARE ENIX’s copyrights to the Game.




Violating these License Limitations may result in the suspension or permanent banning of your account, or such other lesser measures described in Section 3 which SQUARE ENIX may take in its sole discretion, or an action for copyright infringement or other legal claims, all of which are reserved. You agree that offering or providing banned services to other players of the Game constitutes improper interference with SQUARE ENIX’s contracts with such players, and SQUARE ENIX reserves the right to take formal legal action against you if you do so, without warning.




SQUARE ENIX may update the list of License Limitations at na.finalfantasyxiv.com/support at any time. The current License Limitations are as follows:



2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

*adding a NOTE ( see video 1 and video 2 for the above statement)


2.2 Real Money Trading, Farming and Power-Leveling. You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value any in-game currency, accounts, characters, in-game services, or in-game virtual items. You may not play the Game for the purpose of acquiring virtual items or advancement in game play on behalf of a third-party or for the purpose of selling any virtual assets to a third party for real-world money, specifically including “gold-farming” and power-leveling services.

*adding a NOTE ( see video 2 and 3 )

So where in the Terms of Service is it listed that 3rd party programs , and Botting are ok Viion? Where because i dont see it.

Its better for you to just keep silent and not post anymore because you have no idea what your talking about. And saying its ok i dont mind the bots i like them your just as guilty as the bots you support. Its like the driver in a bank robbery. Sure he dident do the accual robbery but he drove the car witch in America also ties you to the crime and you become part of that crime.

So letting a botter bot , likeing it because of there shards are cheep your nothing more then the driver yourself.

As for if i had more time to make videos and what not. I am doing my part to make my Server RMT free and Botting free. People i talk to on Saronia server ( my server) all agree to what im saying. Sure ill get a random person walk up to me and /fume then most likely bot craft for 14 hours. But i really dont care. 99% of my server agrees that RMTs and Botting has to go. And everytime im at a camp and i see Sar Kingking everyone else that is there i tell them to report them. Everytime im in Nanawa or Casio and i see a bot i report it , my LS members report it and everyone who is in the zone i ask them to report it.

So dont tell me what i can do with my game or how i spend my time at least i know my time is ligit i would question yours Viion