Summoners useless in 24mans?

[Mythrellas]

With the DoT/Debuff limit being only 30 how does SE expect Summoners to be viable at all in 24man groups? Are there any plans to increase the DoT/Debuff limit? Or should I just give up on the class and play Scholar?

I realize that the DoT/Debuff limit affects everyone poorly but it affects us Summoners the most. Are they any intentions at all to fix this?

[Ronyx]

huh? Only 30? What do you mean? Summoners get Fester which increase the DoT dmg a ton if you have all 3 Bio, Bio2, Miasma on a target and you also have the AoE ability to spread Bio, Bio2 and Miasma all over every near by creature. SMN is a strong DPS and probably one of the highest in the game according to those people who use Parsers.

[NeoAmon]

huh? Only 30? What do you mean? Summoners get Fester which increase the DoT dmg a ton if you have all 3 Bio, Bio2, Miasma on a target and you also have the AoE ability to spread Bio, Bio2 and Miasma all over every near by creature. SMN is a strong DPS and probably one of the highest in the game according to those people who use Parsers.

No parser currently works correctly with SMN. It have been said many times over and over again, please stop advertising false info.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

He means debuff on the any particular enemy is capped. Let's say that there are 10 summoners and they all place up those 3 dots. The enemy now has 30 debuffs on it, if say a dragoon runs up and places his increased piercing damage and his own dot on the enemy, two dots will just fall off the enemy.

[Kafeen]

He means debuff on the any particular enemy is capped. Let's say that there are 10 summoners and they all place up those 3 dots. The enemy now has 30 debuffs on it, if say a dragoon runs up and places his increased piercing damage and his own dot on the enemy, two dots will just fall off the enemy.

Do you expect a lot of 24 man parties to contain 10 Summoners?

[Waliel]

The good ol' times of vanilla WoW and 8 debuff limit in 40-man raids. Or was it 16? But yeah anyway, 30 is too low for 24-mans.

Do you expect a lot of 24 man parties to contain 10 Summoners?

No, but the problem here is that you will run out of slots on any balanced combination against a single enemy before everyone gets to place their debuffs they need to do their job properly, and using a fourth Summoner just because you happen to have four is going to make it even worse.

[Miles_Maelstrom]

Do you expect a lot of 24 man parties to contain 10 Summoners?

Obviously not a real life scenario. I wasn't even complaining, I was only offering an explanation so the people asking before my post about how they didn't understand what the OP was talking about.

When you offer explanations you try to avoid being overly complicated, simple gets the point across better. Which I did.

[Seraphi]

huh? Only 30? What do you mean? Summoners get Fester which increase the DoT dmg a ton if you have all 3 Bio, Bio2, Miasma on a target and you also have the AoE ability to spread Bio, Bio2 and Miasma all over every near by creature. SMN is a strong DPS and probably one of the highest in the game according to those people who use Parsers.

Yes, and if you've ever been to a FATE which caps out the DoT limit, you'll notice your Festers do crap damage because your DoTs frequently get pushed off. I believe that's what the OP is concerned about. Given that several classes have multiple DoT's/debuffs, it may become an issue.

[Hanabira]

if smn's dps mainly comes from DOTs.. and any dots after 30 dont stick, that means if too many people put debuffs on mobs, smns will be prevented from doing dmg.. at least i think thats how it will work