I can’t ignore this anymore! Something should be done about it!

[Ravij]

Ravij: ok all I could go by is your join date. You do realize that they took at least a year to respond to this and it was only after being reposted on JP forums?

Did you ever stop to think that they're annoyed by the countless threads of this crap over the past few years?

Honestly I can see why the Japanese Developers don't stray far from their home country's forums. During Beta; those forums were horrendous. No one used the search function in the NA/EU section. Questions towards Live Letters were being repeated at an ungodly rate. All because people were too lazy to go over to the search box and search to see if the thread had already been made or their question already asked.

Elezen players gave up on trying to get their necks fixed because they did their research and found that nothing could be done to change it. It had already been set in stone.

Anyone with a problem with the ass on their character needs to move on. The Lead Designer has spoken.

The problem with this forum is people are persistent like cockroaches. Even when they've been told No, never going to happen. They still fight for it when the fights over.

[Tanaya]

Sorry, you seem quite narrow minded Tanaya no offense intended of course but this is not only about the butt.

Narrow-minded is putting it strongly, considering I'm only talking about the Dev post specifically.

If you're trying to get the entire model changed to your liking, that's your perogative. I'm not against that, but I'm not going to actively advocate it either. I have two characters, both male and female, that I enjoy the look of quite much. Personally, I'd like for the option to pull the hoods off and more aesthetically pleasing Heavy Armor (Heavy Darklight is fugly).

I'm only responding because Lolo confronted me in a serious manner. Nothing more to it.

And yes, I played 1.0.

Anyone with a problem with the ass on their character needs to move on. The Lead Designer has spoken.

The problem with this forum is people are persistent like cockroaches. Even when they've been told No, never going to happen. They still fight for it when the fights over.

Give this man a medal.

[Kittra]

Did you ever stop to think that they're annoyed by the countless threads of this crap over the past few years?

Honestly I can see why the Japanese Developers don't stray far from their home country's forums. During Beta; those forums were horrendous. No one used the search function in the NA/EU section. Questions towards Live Letters were being repeated at an ungodly rate. All because people were too lazy to go over to the search box and search to see if the thread had already been made or their question already asked.

Elezen players gave up on trying to get their necks fixed because they did their research and found that nothing could be done to change it. It had already been set in stone.

Anyone with a problem with the ass on their character needs to move on. The Lead Designer has spoken.

The problem with this forum is people are persistent like cockroaches. Even when they've been told No, never going to happen. They still fight for it when the fights over.

Well lets look at it this way.

They scrapped their original vision for FFXIV and remade it completely. It was made "copying" a ton of material from "Western MMOs." Why then, in any sane capacity, would they completely choose to ignore the users that have more knowledge and experience on the game mechanics they seek to implement and instead take most of the feedback from those who speak their language? Why do we have Community Managers relaying the NA/EU wishes back to the Dev team if they're just going to say "Ok, we got the message, but we decided to stick with what we know instead."

Another thing, back when they were tossing around the idea to remake 1.0 or not, they polled the players and got our opinions on a number of matters.

One of those things was: "The PS3 version of the game. Are we going to see a repeat of FFXI's development where a number of things were listed as impossible due to PS2 limitations?" This question was asked by both JP, NA, and EU users prompting a response from our Director. Yoshi P promised us, PROMISED US, that we would never see a return to "We can't do that because <insert system limitations here>" because the PC and PS3 clients would be separate. We could still play together on the same servers, but pretty much the art direction of one would not be limited by the other.

Within the first month of testing the new client, what do we see? A Dev comment stating "We can't do <insert artistic direction here> because of PS3 memory limitations."

Now how do you think we feel after having our #1 promise broken in a short span of time and to have it repeatedly broken with an explanation 90% of the time containing either "Cutting costs" or "PS3 limitations?"

I'll just close with a partial quote:

...we would like to keep the specifications for character’s butts as they are.

Meaning, they would "like" to keep things as they are to keep costs down, not "Oh, we can't do this because of <insert limitation>." So why be quiet on it? If our voices mean anything to the Development of this game then they'll eventually change it because they "can."

[Tupsi]

Meaning, they would "like" to keep things as they are to keep costs down, not "Oh, we can't do this because of <insert limitation>." So why be quiet on it? If our voices mean anything to the Development of this game than they'll eventually change it because they "can."

You should probably learn that's business talk for "it's not going to change" especially considering it's a direct translation from Japanese - a culture that doesn't like to say "no" directly.

[Kittra]

You should probably learn that's business talk for "it's not going to change" especially considering it's a direct translation from Japanese - a culture that doesn't like to say "no" directly.

I do realize this, but it's my understanding that it's also a culture where if you make a promise you keep it. Anything less would be considered "dishonorable."

You know how I know they don't mean it in the business sense? Because other threads they've said "no" to, have been closed by a forum moderator shortly after the Dev response was given, no longer allowing feedback.


If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say they're riding this one out to see how much people care even after a Dev response has been given.

That JP thread which was posted as a direct link/explanation of this one fairly exploded with replies after the Dev response on it, with all of the ones I've read so far expressing their disappointment.

[Ravij]

It was made "copying" a ton of material from "Western MMOs." Why then, in any sane capacity, would they completely choose to ignore the users that have more knowledge and experience on the game mechanics they seek to implement

Sorry I stopped right there.. Since when is a characters ass considered a game mechanic in an mmo?

[Kittra]

Sorry I stopped right there.. Since when is a characters ass considered a game mechanic in an mmo?

When I said "mechanic" I didn't mean it in the sense of something like the battle system.

The fact that they're telling us they reduced our caboose to make the process of creating gear cheaper because it would have taken to much time with the physics involved with multiple new races/genders being released relates it directly to game's mechanics in the sense of armor/clothing creation. So pretty much a Dev mechanic, much less a game mechanic.

Also, the first part of what I posted was related to your statement: "Honestly I can see why the Japanese Developers don't stray far from their home country's forums."

I only quoted the entire thing because people seem to get testy when you annotate. I then carried on with my own thoughts because General Discussion posts are limited to a few a day.


I'm not trying to put down your statements Ravij, and I agree with some of it. The part I don't agree with is that we should all keep silent now that the Devs have spoken because there's nothing they can do about it due to how the game is designed. The proof just isn't there that they "can't" do something about it, just that they "won't" which is what pisses me off. I don't like being lied to, especially where my money is concerned.

*EDIT*

Apparently you have no idea what you're even talking about. Aion was a PC Only game. FFXIV is a PC/PS3 game.
The limitations of the PS3 prevent the devs from adding everything they want in this game.

I have taken character modeling classes in college and the details do add up to me. The PS3 has limitations. In 1.0 they had to cease production on the PS3 version of FFXIV because of how the world received FFXIV initially. Yoshi literally tore the world apart and built it from ground up with the PS3 in mind and of course the PS3's limitations. So he was forced to axe off things to make it compatible with both versions.

And it seems my post cap has been reached. I'm going to request this thread be closed.

Ah, you really did "just stop there" in regards to reading what I posted. I just assumed you were taking that section and asking a question about it... but now I see otherwise.

*EDIT#2*

I can tell you're a PC player. Why? Because you don't understand the limitations that the PS3 has. Despite the game being brought out on PS4 won't change this fact at all because they won't stop production of the game for PS3. So the limitations will remain intact.

I have each version of the game and regularly play both. I also understand about PS3 limitations. I also explained why that should have been a "non-issue" in the post that you "partially" quoted.

[Ravij]

I'm not trying to put down your statements Ravij, and I agree with some of it. The part I don't agree with is that we should all keep silent now that the Devs have spoken because there's nothing they can do about it due to how the game is designed. The proof just isn't there that they "can't" do something about it, just that they "won't" which is what pisses me off. I don't like being lied to, especially where my money is concerned.

I can tell you're a PC player. Why? Because you don't understand the limitations that the PS3 has. Despite the game being brought out on PS4 won't change this fact at all because they won't stop production of the game for PS3. So the limitations will remain intact.

Snip.

Apparently you have no idea what you're even talking about. Aion was a PC Only game. FFXIV is a PC/PS3 game.
The limitations of the PS3 prevent the devs from adding everything they want in this game.

I have taken character modeling classes in college and the details do add up to me. The PS3 has limitations. In 1.0 they had to cease production on the PS3 version of FFXIV because of how the world received FFXIV initially. Yoshi literally tore the world apart and built it from ground up with the PS3 in mind and of course the PS3's limitations. So he was forced to axe off things to make it compatible with both versions.

PC's can be opened up and adjusted/upgraded to adapt to new technology. PS3's can't. To combat this they come out with a new version.

[Azadross]

Apparently you have no idea what you're even talking about. Aion was a PC Only game. FFXIV is a PC/PS3 game.
The limitations of the PS3 prevent the devs from adding everything they want in this game.

I have taken character modeling classes in college and the details do add up to me. The PS3 has limitations. In 1.0 they had to cease production on the PS3 version of FFXIV because of how the world received FFXIV initially. Yoshi literally tore the world apart and built it from ground up with the PS3 in mind and of course the PS3's limitations. So he was forced to axe off things to make it compatible with both versions.

PC's can be opened up and adjusted/upgraded to adapt to new technology. PS3's can't. To combat this they come out with a new version.

I shall be right here whilst you explain how a slight variation in the character mesh would cause the entire PS3 version to come crashing down due to it's limitations. You see your argument may hold some water if not for the fact that you can change the breast size and unless all characters have the exact same bottom half which they do not then it looks like your in a very leaky boat with the PS3 limitations angle.

[LoLo]

Sorry I stopped right there.. Since when is a characters ass considered a game mechanic in an mmo?

Aside from you still focusing on the fact that the butt was mentioned I'm going to ask you a question.

If character visuals do not matter or effect game mechanics then why aren't people using more Roegadyn since racial stats dont matter in this game?

I agree with you that NA forums are annoying but I do not agree with how some things are being handled as in everyone being treated fairly.

Kittra: you are right. I am just trying to voice that the OP isn't unstable for noticing the character model being change. But its falling on death ears.