I can’t ignore this anymore! Something should be done about it!

[Aegis]

In the beta the majority agreed with me and in only a day I had over 200 likes but then the beta ended and with it the forums.

And now you have half as many likes in 4 times the timespan. Is it safe to say you have 1/8th of the support you had then?

200 likes is not a majority of the people who posted on the forums. The butt-slider topic got ~700 likes, not 900.

The devs already responded to the idea of adjustable butts with a 'No'.

Now you wish to force your idea of what looks normal on the rest of us. You demand all backsides be increased, regardless of what other people want. If you honestly cared what other people wanted you would have started this thread with a poll. 'Like post 1 if you think the backsides are ok" "Like post 2 if you want them increased" etc. Instead you try to force your opinion on us and overstate your case. You reply that the majority support your opinion: The majority of people who play the game? No, that would be over half a million likes. The majority of people that browse the forums? No, that would be scores, if not hundreds of thousand likes. The majority of people who browsed this thread? Possibly, but not likely; there have been 10k+ views of this thread. For your opinion to be the majority each of the people who pressed 'like' would have needed to recheck this thread 46 times.

I propose that the majority of players have absolutely no issues with this as the only thread on this subject is yours, the only reason it's still on the front page is because people keep arguing with it and you bump it with your Demon Wall-o-texts.

Sorry to come off as snappish, but for god's sake, you've been told no, deal with it.

Non-issue. Move on.

[Velo_Vandore]

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The forums were much more active during the final stages of beta so I don't necessarily think that receiving less likes now in a longer time frame proves a huge drop in support. Also, even if it did then so what? I don't think it's polite or constructive to discredit someones request without explaining any personal reason that you are against such a change being implemented. Your post is a direct attack on the original poster, their attitude and approach but offers no opinion towards the topic itself.

I don't understand why you are trying to shoot down this thread? The original post is only requesting plans to be made and not demanding high priority, so there's really no reason to respond so critically and rudely. I would like to see A Rear Reborn and support the OP's request. Of course that's just my personal preference.

OP owes no apology.


EDIT:
Unfortunately I can't post again today as my character is low level, but I'd like to respond to Aegis' reply below. Hope you see it.

I did present a personal reason. The OP would be forcing his own personal tastes upon others without considering them.

The OP is requesting a change be forced on others regardless of whether or not they want it and is trying to present the case as if there is a popular mandate for it. He is doing so by deliberately misrepresenting numbers from beta threads that can't be linked back to.

He said the majority of the beta agreed with him, as much as he tries to back pedal on it, those were his words.

He said that the butt-slider topic got 900 likes when it was around 700. He used this as an example to show that people would support this particular idea. When he got called on the fact that SE responded that characters' backsides are working as intended he backpedalled again saying that this is completely unrelated to this request. Yet he is still citing that number in the OP in support of it.

At the end of the day, the OP doesn't like SE's design decisions. He would like to see his personal preference imposed on others across the board regardless of what they want and is trying to overstate the mandate for it by ignoring relevant information and changing figures.

I don't mind someone lobbying for a change they want, but the OP purposefully misrepresented the community to do it.

If you don't want to be called intellectually dishonest, do not deliberately distort facts.

Thanks for reading and responding. I may have been hasty in my accusation, and can see you have a sincere motive in your argument, so apologies for that judgement. However, why defend the opinion of those who prefer the 2.0 butt when no-body seems to be voicing that preference. The argument seems to be those who prefer the 1.0 butt vs those who don't care. I haven't actually seen anyone come out yet and say they really prefer the 2.0 over the 1.0 butt and would be upset to see the model changed.

I am curious to know, for those who oppose the OP's request - do you personally prefer the 1.0 butt, the 2.0 butt or don't mind at all?

[Aegis]

The forums were much more active during the final stages of beta so I don't necessarily think that receiving less likes now in a longer time frame proves a huge drop in support. Also, even if it did then so what? I don't think it's polite or constructive to discredit someones request without explaining any personal reason that you are against such a change being implemented. Your post is a direct attack on the original poster, their attitude and approach but offers no opinion towards the topic itself.

I don't understand why you are trying to shoot down this thread? The original post is only requesting plans to be made and not demanding high priority, so there's really no reason to respond so critically and rudely. I would like to see A Rear Reborn and support the OP's request. Of course that's just my personal preference.

OP owes no apology.

I did present a personal reason. The OP would be forcing his own personal tastes upon others without considering them.

The OP is requesting a change be forced on others regardless of whether or not they want it and is trying to present the case as if there is a popular mandate for it. He is doing so by deliberately misrepresenting numbers from beta threads that can't be linked back to.

He said the majority of the beta agreed with him, as much as he tries to back pedal on it, those were his words.

He said that the butt-slider topic got 900 likes when it was around 700. He used this as an example to show that people would support this particular idea. When he got called on the fact that SE responded that characters' backsides are working as intended he backpedalled again saying that this is completely unrelated to this request. Yet he is still citing that number in the OP in support of it.

At the end of the day, the OP doesn't like SE's design decisions. He would like to see his personal preference imposed on others across the board regardless of what they want and is trying to overstate the mandate for it by ignoring relevant information and changing figures.

I don't mind someone lobbying for a change they want, but the OP purposefully misrepresented the community to do it.

If you don't want to be called intellectually dishonest, do not deliberately distort facts.

[Vandark]

The OP would be forcing his own personal tastes upon others without considering them.

The OP is requesting a change be forced on others regardless of whether or not they want it and is trying to present the case as if there is a popular mandate for it.

What and the new shape should be forced on everyone who became accustom to the old shape who were loyal to the orrigonal game, while everyone else abandoned it?

Also you really need to stop the argument that I am forcing this on people, people have the ability to say there view I'm not forcing anything on anyone.

I was, if not in support, at least not against the idea of a slider. Everyone could get what they want then. However, a lot of us are happy with the way our characters look. OP is demanding that those of us who aren't unhappy be inconvenienced so that he can be happy.

This is not true at all your the one making claims that are completely false and making accusations.
What about my second solution to this Fact,7
7: Making two optional body shapes at the very least could be enough to satisfy everyone.

I would not be opposed to ether the complete return of what I feel 1.0 players should be entitled to for previously playing the game and supporting it.

Or having two body shape options the new and the old in character creation, but it's completely unfair to force old players and expect them to be ok with a change like this.

They warned us ahead of 2.0 that a change to the graphics engine would mean our characters would look different than they did in 1.0. The character recreation was so we could change our characters accordingly.

I believed this would be purely graphics related, they didn't mention anything about what to me just looks like somethings completely gone wrong.

They did, OP neglected to mention it. They said characters' backsides were working as intended.

To my knowledge this was only a comment relating to the idea of a but slider.

[BreathlessTao]

I agree it's quite a general issue, the overall flatness. Not even female-specific either. Managed to snap this picture during EA, I believe it shows that particular issue off perfectly... poor thing couldn't be flatter if he tried, both in the front and in the back.

[Aegis]

What and the new shape should be forced on everyone who became accustom to the old shape who were loyal to the orrigonal game, while everyone else abandoned it?

Oh, you poor martyr. Guess what, I was loyal since day one too. As were many others.

I would not be opposed to ether the complete return of what I feel 1.0 players should be entitled to for previously playing the game and supporting it.

Or having two body shape options the new and the old in character creation, but it's completely unfair to force old players and expect them to be ok with a change like this.

Ah, there's the E-word. Guess what? I preferred the combat system in 1.0, I should be entitled to play it with that. I preferred that Gryphonskin Harness was usable by three classes in 1.0, I should be entitled to wear it on ARC. I preferred the way they implemented NMs in 1.0. They made a whole lot of changes from 1.0 to 2.0. They have forced hundred of things upon us, of which this is the absolutely least important. We were warned this was going to happen. Fair doesn't enter into it. SE made their design decisions, it's not our place to demand they change them to suit our whims, particularly when it is such a subjective topic.

What if the people playing don't like the two options on your two option scale? Shouldn't they get a say? Where does it end? At what point does someone not get the backsides they want? Dev team need to draw a line somewhere. This particular line uses the least memory. Remember, every single new permutation of character options adds a few million possible character combinations. By making two options, you have now doubled the current number of character models.

So they weren't supposed to look the way they did for 10 years in FFXI and 2years in FF14 1.0?

So, when the issue of buttocks was brough to their attention in beta and they made a post mentioning them, if this were some oversight, would they not have mentioned it then?

[Vandark]

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Sure, I think you've had your say.
From what I gather you wanted the but slider, I don't understand why your against having the old body shape and the new as two options.

And for the record I preferred the old battle system too but at the very least I would like to play on what looks like my old character. I would also like to ware the gear I like without it looking odd.

Changing the entire battle system is too much to ask, what I'm asking for is something so small, it's really not much to ask for.

The fact is I'm not asking for much to be happy, I'd just like my character to represent my old characters appearance.

. By making two options, you have now doubled the current number of character models.

Imagine how many options there would be in a slider.
You’re against the idea because you don’t like the original body shape?
If your happy with the current flatness we face now in 2.0 why were you into the idea of a but slider?

[Aegis]

Sure, I think you've had your say.
From what I gather you wanted the but slider, I don't understand why your against having the old body shape and the new as two options.

And for the record I preferred the old battle system too but at the very least I would like to play on what looks like my old character. I would also like to ware the gear I like without it looking odd.

Changing the entire battle system is too much to ask, what I'm asking for is something so small, it's really not much to ask.

Well, I wasn't against it, but I wouldn't say I was for it, as such. I'm not greatly against having two options either. However, I think the dev team decided against the sliders because it would take up too many resources (inferring because they only said they had no plans to change characters' backsides). Two options would not please either side, however. There will be some few people who will get what they want, a lot will still want much bigger backsides (did you see the butt slider thread? People were showing pics of what looked like thyroid conditions), and a great number would notice no difference. All this taking up dev time and increasing the memory needed to display characters and impacting performance.

What I am against is your misrepresentation in the original post. You offer a one-sided view of the situation, you use the slider topic to support your case that people want this, but never mention the slider was shot down by SE. You quote only those that post in support of yours while not mentioning that any people are dead set against changes. You use misleading images shot from slightly different angles and at different phases in animation cycles. You misrepresent the number of likes of the slider topic. You imply Yoshi-P is a liar with no evidence to that effect, and you stated that the majority of beta agreed with your opinion when it wasn't even the majority of people who visited your thread (something I see that you have since edited today).

I short, I disagree with you because you try to spin the facts to make a one-sided argument without acknowledging the impact this will have on others.