I can’t ignore this anymore! Something should be done about it!

[LoLo]

Probably the last point I want to make about the current shape we have is this.

Might be the best idea. I dont get why people are creeped out or "hehe butts".

Kind of weird because the crotch slider thread didn't get this much hate. Yeah it was a joke thread but there were some serious people in there who really wanted a crotch slider for male characters. When the new swimsuits came out a return of the crotch slider thread appeared and no one was disgusted.

People are weird.

[Ravij]

judging by your join date, you where not around when there were multiple threads even going back from alpha 1.0 about the behind of characters. That's 3 years ago. We are JUST now getting feedback and its about waist equipment, not even about the sized down backsides from 1.0 that we all thought was too small to begin with.

Oh trust me I have been around since 1.0 Beta. Don't believe me?

Here's an original Fan Art I did of my 1.0 character during Beta: Fan Art

And here's is my 1.0 character 1.0
I have been playing since 2010; The only problem I have with Square right now is the fact they lost my 1.0 character during the time they were offering free world transfers during beta phase 3. And he's still missing to this day. I've pretty much given up on seeing him again.

[LoLo]

Yeah you did quote me on a very old comment lots more has come to our attention since then.

We should probably be talking now about the angle the hip is and how the pelvis is tilted as a possible easier quick fix to minimize the odd appearance of the side view.

I still believe the appearance of the Female Miquo'te can be better achieved threw other terms.

Also @Tupsi perhaps you should listen to LoLo because she is correct on this matter.

It depends on the person, really.

Ravij: ok all I could go by is your join date. You do realize that they took at least a year to respond to this and it was only after being reposted on JP forums?

[Tanaya]

Then if you arent going to read all of the thread...

Yes, I'd totally read over 650 posts about people either agreeing or disagreeing on the topic about butts. Oh, sorry, the waist.

Would you read over 650 posts about something you aren't completely serious about?

The dev quoted a post that talked about the waist being changed not the behind. The quote you posted has the dev say nothing about only the behind. You read into more than what you even posted.

Really?

Don't lie to me.

He said "partial to what Miqo’tes looked like in 1.0" that means the whole look of the character not just the behind.

You're mincing words. This is called a cherrypick. Plucking a phrase and making it the entirety of your argument doesn't mean anything in full context.

If you go back to the Dev post, the lead designer talks about slimming the waist to more or less streamline the aesthetics of the character model, for lower costs, then goes on to say he apologies for the people who enjoyed the look of Miqo'tes in 1.0.

In short, he was talking about butts, and he was pandering to the Miqo'tes fans because they're the most disappointed and vocal.

Looks like you are the one riled up because you have resorted to curse words and being defensive.

Oh no, I said ass! Someone call the police!

[Vandark]

It depends on the person, really.

Ravij: ok all I could go by is your join date. You do realize that they took at least a year to respond to this and it was only after being reposted on JP forums?

True but I guess we just share the same opinions because I see it the way you do.

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Sorry, you seem quite narrow minded Tanaya no offense intended of course but this is not only about the but.

Can you not see the extreme over all appearance this change has caused?

Saying 1.0 model is exactly what was intended as the topic because the 1.0 model over all was much nicer looking. The entire body structure, hip position, pelvis, rear, legs it's all different now.

[Ravij]

Ravij: ok all I could go by is your join date. You do realize that they took at least a year to respond to this and it was only after being reposted on JP forums?

Did you ever stop to think that they're annoyed by the countless threads of this crap over the past few years?

Honestly I can see why the Japanese Developers don't stray far from their home country's forums. During Beta; those forums were horrendous. No one used the search function in the NA/EU section. Questions towards Live Letters were being repeated at an ungodly rate. All because people were too lazy to go over to the search box and search to see if the thread had already been made or their question already asked.

Elezen players gave up on trying to get their necks fixed because they did their research and found that nothing could be done to change it. It had already been set in stone.

Anyone with a problem with the ass on their character needs to move on. The Lead Designer has spoken.

The problem with this forum is people are persistent like cockroaches. Even when they've been told No, never going to happen. They still fight for it when the fights over.

[ruinedmirage]

It depends on the person, really.

Ravij: ok all I could go by is your join date. You do realize that they took at least a year to respond to this and it was only after being reposted on JP forums?

It's a serious issue when it starts to distract from Japanese perversion ........ I mean immersion. Immersion.

[Tanaya]

Sorry, you seem quite narrow minded Tanaya no offense intended of course but this is not only about the butt.

Narrow-minded is putting it strongly, considering I'm only talking about the Dev post specifically.

If you're trying to get the entire model changed to your liking, that's your perogative. I'm not against that, but I'm not going to actively advocate it either. I have two characters, both male and female, that I enjoy the look of quite much. Personally, I'd like for the option to pull the hoods off and more aesthetically pleasing Heavy Armor (Heavy Darklight is fugly).

I'm only responding because Lolo confronted me in a serious manner. Nothing more to it.

And yes, I played 1.0.

Anyone with a problem with the ass on their character needs to move on. The Lead Designer has spoken.

The problem with this forum is people are persistent like cockroaches. Even when they've been told No, never going to happen. They still fight for it when the fights over.

Give this man a medal.

[Kittra]

Did you ever stop to think that they're annoyed by the countless threads of this crap over the past few years?

Honestly I can see why the Japanese Developers don't stray far from their home country's forums. During Beta; those forums were horrendous. No one used the search function in the NA/EU section. Questions towards Live Letters were being repeated at an ungodly rate. All because people were too lazy to go over to the search box and search to see if the thread had already been made or their question already asked.

Elezen players gave up on trying to get their necks fixed because they did their research and found that nothing could be done to change it. It had already been set in stone.

Anyone with a problem with the ass on their character needs to move on. The Lead Designer has spoken.

The problem with this forum is people are persistent like cockroaches. Even when they've been told No, never going to happen. They still fight for it when the fights over.

Well lets look at it this way.

They scrapped their original vision for FFXIV and remade it completely. It was made "copying" a ton of material from "Western MMOs." Why then, in any sane capacity, would they completely choose to ignore the users that have more knowledge and experience on the game mechanics they seek to implement and instead take most of the feedback from those who speak their language? Why do we have Community Managers relaying the NA/EU wishes back to the Dev team if they're just going to say "Ok, we got the message, but we decided to stick with what we know instead."

Another thing, back when they were tossing around the idea to remake 1.0 or not, they polled the players and got our opinions on a number of matters.

One of those things was: "The PS3 version of the game. Are we going to see a repeat of FFXI's development where a number of things were listed as impossible due to PS2 limitations?" This question was asked by both JP, NA, and EU users prompting a response from our Director. Yoshi P promised us, PROMISED US, that we would never see a return to "We can't do that because <insert system limitations here>" because the PC and PS3 clients would be separate. We could still play together on the same servers, but pretty much the art direction of one would not be limited by the other.

Within the first month of testing the new client, what do we see? A Dev comment stating "We can't do <insert artistic direction here> because of PS3 memory limitations."

Now how do you think we feel after having our #1 promise broken in a short span of time and to have it repeatedly broken with an explanation 90% of the time containing either "Cutting costs" or "PS3 limitations?"

I'll just close with a partial quote:

...we would like to keep the specifications for character’s butts as they are.

Meaning, they would "like" to keep things as they are to keep costs down, not "Oh, we can't do this because of <insert limitation>." So why be quiet on it? If our voices mean anything to the Development of this game then they'll eventually change it because they "can."

[Tupsi]

Meaning, they would "like" to keep things as they are to keep costs down, not "Oh, we can't do this because of <insert limitation>." So why be quiet on it? If our voices mean anything to the Development of this game than they'll eventually change it because they "can."

You should probably learn that's business talk for "it's not going to change" especially considering it's a direct translation from Japanese - a culture that doesn't like to say "no" directly.