Error 1017 makes this game trash

[evilzeph]

logged in Masamune. Kicked. Attempted to log in. Server full. Attempts to log in to NA/EU server. Unable to update NA/EU Character list.

Awesome.

[ZhangoSqu]

Sadly until the newly added servers relieve the stress the only way is to put in a restriction to put people off, having thousands of people in a queue pinging the server for a "Can I get in yet" response would only make matters worse.

Error 1017 alleviates this issue slightly by putting people off spamming log-ins.

If that's how the developers implemented the queue for A Realm Reborn, its an awful design. The queue should function as a deferred callback or a long poll that sends a request out to the server and waits for a response. That is the proper way of implementing a queue on a persistent system with high traffic volume. This would allow the login servers to place you in a queue when the server is at capacity and track the requester's progress. The next time that the server responds with an update to the attached queue thread, one of two things happen your position in the queue is updated (or not if the position remains the same) or the server doesn't get a return response and knows you've quit the queue.

This way, it is the server that is responsible for managing when it is contacted by a client, not the client. As it stands now, everyone spamming login to try to sneak past a 1017 error is effectively DDoS'ing the login servers as it is. 1017 just stops us before we do any damage.

Please understand this: the queue wasn't taken out. It's still there. The queue only shows up when the server is not at capacity, and they are still allowing people to login to the servers. The queue is a function of the login server to prevent the login server from overloading. It's basically a "line" to let people trickle into the server at set intervals.

Wait, I'm sorry. What? As this poster above me stated the only time that a queue should ever be used is when the server is at capacity. Not to add yet another barrier to entry when the servers are under their capacity.

They've done a lot of things right with A Realm Reborn, don't get me wrong. But some of the decisions that they've made are just plain lazy and short sighted.

[BubblyBoar]

He worded it wrong. The Queue is still there, the Queue is just full. Login and Lobby servers do not have unlimited capacity and those, when the world is full, followed by the Login and lobby servers being full, it cant put you in Queue. There's no room for you to queue, so it had to kick you out. The Queue is working, it's just overloaded by everyone that is trying to long in before you. They need to make the line somewhere or everything goes down.

[ZhangoSqu]

The Queue is still there, the Queue is just full. Login and Lobby servers do not have unlimited capacity and those, when the world is full, followed by the Login and lobby servers being full, it cant put you in Queue. There's no room for you to queue, so it had to kick you out. The Queue is working, it's just overloaded by everyone that is trying to long in before you. They need to make the line somewhere or everything goes down.

That may be so, but again, it is a design flaw. There should not be a maximum size to the queue. The point of the queue is to tell you that "you can't get in right now, so please wait. When everyone before you leaves the queue it will be your turn." By capping the queue, and returning an error response (1017) back to your user you've invalidated the most fundamental function of the queuing system in the first place. This isn't rocket science...

[BubblyBoar]

As I said, the login and lobby servers do not have unlimited capacity. They cant hold an infinite amount of people in the queue. Even they have their limits, you can't ask for the impossible.

[Stiler]

He worded it wrong. The Queue is still there, the Queue is just full. Login and Lobby servers do not have unlimited capacity and those, when the world is full, followed by the Login and lobby servers being full, it cant put you in Queue. There's no room for you to queue, so it had to kick you out. The Queue is working, it's just overloaded by everyone that is trying to long in before you. They need to make the line somewhere or everything goes down.

Then they need to DRASTICALLY increase the queue load, because I have NEVER been over 200+ in a queue, it's generally always 100 or under and you get in within 30 seconds almost always when you do end u in the queue.

Many mmo's have a queue system that handles THOUSANDS of people and can take 20+ minutes of waiting.

[indira]

i cant even see the server list lol

[ZhangoSqu]

Then they need to DRASTICALLY increase the queue load, because I have NEVER been over 200+ in a queue, it's generally always 100 or under and you get in within 30 seconds almost always when you do end u in the queue.

Many mmo's have a queue system that handles THOUSANDS of people and can take 20+ minutes of waiting.

Or they need to revisit their server infrastructure. I suspect that their lobby and login servers may be performing more than just the eponymous operations. Ideally you'd have one lobby server with a similar capacity to that of most social networks. Your login server (one for each world, and I'm ignoring the complexity of multiple nodes here) would be responsible for managing login requests, the queue, and passing a message back to the client to tell it that it is now connected to the game. That's it.

[xSickle]

sounds like the Release of FFXI the first time around.

[ZhangoSqu]

sounds like the Release of FFXI the first time around.

I have vague memories of that time but I remember it was awful...