Request for a HARDCORE server!

[SyntheticSyndicate]

You're again confusing correlation with causation. FFXI players didn't quit because the game wasn't FFXI-2. Or because it didn't feature massive timesinks (which very few enjoyed even in FFXI, I remember very well the groans and gripes heard in linkshell again and again every time we were subject to some massive grind/timesink in order to progress)
They quit because the game launched incomplete, unpolished, with very little to do content-wise, and even more because some convenience elements that people have grown to take for granted in MMORPGs were completely absent (because inconvenience is, by itself, a timesink. Why do you think people cry for an Auction House so much? Why do they want a consignment merchant? Why do they want chocobos and airships? Because they want to use their playtime *actively* without *wasting* it).

Square Enix will bring population back by solving those problems, not by further *inconveniencing* their playerbase. I find it massively funy that some would believe that by making the game less active fun and more of a timewaste, any degree of success could be achieved.

Considering how much you seem to appreciate wasting your time, you were probably delighted by having to check every single bazar in the game to find stuff to buy in the market wards. That's SO hardcore, isn't it?
Did you feel let down when they implemented the search function?

Uhh, the reason why there is no AH/wasn't even a search function at first, was to promote needing crafters in pretty much every linkshell. Hence why being in a linkshell is a good thing. No, I wasn't disappointed when they implemented a search function, because I don't use the market wards. My linkshell and myself farm all our materials, make all our own stuff. That's how the game SHOULD be played.

In response to the OP, FFXI is thataway Sir. Enjoy your "hard-core" server(s). FFXI wasn't like it was now at launch or even in the first year either. Funny how people forget what games are really like at beta/launch. Come 5 years from now, when this has been out a while and the complainers get bored and move onto some other game, no one will even remember what this was like in beta/launch. Have a little faith.

[Cairdeas]

That's how the game SHOULD be played.

This type of comment coming from anyone other then SE are pointless.

If SE gives you a barrel to play in and say "Have Fun" its your job to have fun with that barrel. If they leave the lid open you should be allowed to crawl inside and roll around in the barrel.

Other players who were also given barrels have no right to come up and tell other players "You are not allowed to climb in the barrel and roll around, the barrel is only for storing your berries."

[Mack]

QFT.


I like to consider myself hardcore (though some of the sweeping generalisations made on these forums are APPALLING) but I have to ask: are you taking drugs OP? Seriously now. None of what you have put down is hardcore, just timesink.

Understand the difference. I want to log in one night and fight an NM with my LS that requires us to have tactics, skill and a little luck ala the weapons in final Fantasy VII, etc. I do NOT want to waste time getting there, or dying and then having to run halfway across Hydalyn just to arrive as the NM is downed. That is stupid and not right.
I also do not want to wait for old age to hit me before the NM pops, Im hardcore, not jobless, I have other things to attend to IRL that far outweigh wasting time on a GAME.

I think you need to re-evaluate what you really want out of an MMO.... and then go and find it, as I can guarantee you will always complain of this game.

Everything this man said I agree with and everything any man or woman says that agrees with this I agree with. I want difficult content, I don't want sugar coated time sinks (for example, the RNG Chocobo raising game in FFXI is lame because its all one big fat time sink - for example, Fishing in this game and the animations in between actual fishing are mind numbingly boring and need to be adjusted) Make things FUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN and make things DIFFICULT but don't make things take forever for the sake of taking forever. I don't mind the odd NMs that are on a long respawn timer or that require competition on the open world but readily available content such as the faction NMs feel more rewarding at the end of the day.

[Peregrine]

The only good hardcores aren't actually hardcores. They just have to side with them because they'd rather associate with elitist snots than play an easybake oven game.

Good gamer challenge: Fights that take tactics, planning and coordination.
Hardcore pseudochallenge: Fights that take 3 rangers and a thaumaturge for easy win, otherwise its a painful as **** fight. When the blms tell you to sit at the edge of the BC and "Don't do anything" that's what the hardcores delight in. Seeing you helpless and telling you you're helpless.
Good gamer challenge: Fight, lose, Fight, nearly win, fight, win.
Hardcore pseudochallenge: Farm farm farm grind grind grind win, if not: lose 30 hours of materials and take the 40 minute hike back.

You don't have to side with elitist snots to prevent an easybake oven game. There are more good players who want real challenge than there are hardcores who just want to look better than everyone.

[Cairdeas]

The only good hardcores aren't actually hardcores. They just have to side with them because they'd rather associate with elitist snots than play an easybake oven game.

Good gamer challenge: Fights that take tactics, planning and coordination.
Hardcore pseudochallenge: Fights that take 3 rangers and a thaumaturge for easy win, otherwise its a painful as **** fight. When the blms tell you to sit at the edge of the BC and "Don't do anything" that's what the hardcores delight in. Seeing you helpless and telling you you're helpless.
Good gamer challenge: Fight, lose, Fight, nearly win, fight, win.
Hardcore pseudochallenge: Farm farm farm grind grind grind win, if not: lose 30 hours of materials and take the 40 minute hike back.

You don't have to side with elitist snots to prevent an easybake oven game. There are more good players who want real challenge than there are hardcores who just want to look better than everyone.

I remember doing the fights against the KClub mob in BCNM and it was a party of me as Sam/Dancer, and two Summoners... I Healed and tank/Kited while they Nuked.

That was tactics and fun all in one.

[Drex]

The funny thing is that most self elected hardcore are the ones that don't understand what it means. An hardcore gamer is nothing else than a gamer that has a lot of time in his hands to dedicate to gaming.

It has nothing to do with ability, skill or challenge or even effort (playing a game isn't an "effort", as it's a matter of enjoyment).

Mind you, most intelligent gamers will prefer te definition of "core" gamers, as "hardcore" is rather laughable to begin with.

dude... sadly eng is not my mother language...

so ...if you want, we can talk about the right use of the term.....even if this isnt the point ...

I think you know what i mean when i use the word HARCORE...if you are one of those "most intelligent gamers"..

if you are not, i will tell you what I want in battles:

skill
organization
timing
immagination

in game untill now, you only need.... spam...

tank needs to spam aggro ability
dps needs to spam white dmg and a buffed (not every time) BR ... gogo macro!!
mage needs to spam healing

I dont know if you have done some of the high rank NMs....

After last patch, the NMs that was easy before ....now are really stupid!

Maybe you like this kind of game... but you waste your time to try to convince someone that the game is ok for the challenging part...

Im a fan of ""CORE"" games... i dont ask for a FFXI-2....but FFXIV is depressing like this...
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[Grimm]

I support this 100%

[Ilean]

lol

As unrealistic as it seems, I hope SE does open a couple of omghardcore!!1 servers. If it frees us from these guys complaining that achieving anything should take 10 times longer and you should be kicked in the nuts for every mistake you make... Yes, please!

[Abriael]

skill
organization
timing
immagination

Me too, But that has nothing to do with the *timesinks* that are advocated by this thread. Besides, having easier content that can be enjoyed by everyone (which is obviously the *first* to be implemented. You don't catere to niches before you cater to the majority), doesn't exclude the future implementation of more complex fights.

I dont know if you have done some of the high rank NMs....

After last patch, the NMs that was easy before ....now are really stupid!
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You're the one that might not have done them all (as I did) before and after the patch. Otherwise you would have noticed that not all NMs have been made easier. The great buffalo has been quite drastically made more powerful, with the damage it inflicts sizably increased. Of course, it's still not a very complex fight, but it's definitely harder than before.
In ANY and EVERY MMORPG simpler encounters are implemented first, and then more complex ones are implemented later, as the battle system gets more honed and finalyzed. It's been like that in FFXI, it's like that in FFXIV, and in every other MMO out there.

How about trying to be respectful?

Lol. Sorry mate. But this is an open discussion forum. If someone disagrees with a thread, he has full right to express such disagreement. The OP asking for people to only come in to nod and be the "yesman" is quite laughable, and has nothing to do with respect.
When you express something publicly, you should expect to receive public responses, and not always positive.

This is a terrible idea, as the vast majority quite evidently expressed (funny that you quote only my post lol), and unrealistic to boot. It's quite appropriate for the developers to see such expressions of disagreement, despite the OP (and quite evidently you) would obviously prefer to hide them.

Not that the devs are ever going to consider a "timesink server" mind you, but positive reinforcement always helps, especially in the presence of the radio noise created by the same people continuing to open the same threads over and over with little very variation, trying to saturate the forums.

The only good hardcores aren't actually hardcores. They just have to side with them because they'd rather associate with elitist snots than play an easybake oven game.

Good gamer challenge: Fights that take tactics, planning and coordination.
Hardcore pseudochallenge: Fights that take 3 rangers and a thaumaturge for easy win, otherwise its a painful as **** fight. When the blms tell you to sit at the edge of the BC and "Don't do anything" that's what the hardcores delight in. Seeing you helpless and telling you you're helpless.
Good gamer challenge: Fight, lose, Fight, nearly win, fight, win.
Hardcore pseudochallenge: Farm farm farm grind grind grind win, if not: lose 30 hours of materials and take the 40 minute hike back.

You don't have to side with elitist snots to prevent an easybake oven game. There are more good players who want real challenge than there are hardcores who just want to look better than everyone.

Regardless of our previous differences, I find myself in complete agreement with the above.

[Petori]

You would be doing much more than tilting analog sticks when your xp is on the line, tough guy.

How so? I don't remember doing anything different when I wanted to go from point A to point B in FFXI. Except checking monsters.