Quote Originally Posted by Peregrine View Post
The only good hardcores aren't actually hardcores. They just have to side with them because they'd rather associate with elitist snots than play an easybake oven game.

Good gamer challenge: Fights that take tactics, planning and coordination.
Hardcore pseudochallenge: Fights that take 3 rangers and a thaumaturge for easy win, otherwise its a painful as **** fight. When the blms tell you to sit at the edge of the BC and "Don't do anything" that's what the hardcores delight in. Seeing you helpless and telling you you're helpless.
Good gamer challenge: Fight, lose, Fight, nearly win, fight, win.
Hardcore pseudochallenge: Farm farm farm grind grind grind win, if not: lose 30 hours of materials and take the 40 minute hike back.

You don't have to side with elitist snots to prevent an easybake oven game. There are more good players who want real challenge than there are hardcores who just want to look better than everyone.
I remember doing the fights against the KClub mob in BCNM and it was a party of me as Sam/Dancer, and two Summoners... I Healed and tank/Kited while they Nuked.

That was tactics and fun all in one.