These forums becoming unbearable?

[MaxWinter]

I have decided after today i wont be putting any more input into what i want from the game in these boards at least in the short term intill the changes happen to this game.
I am enjoying the game as it is and know things will change , i still hope to reply to all polls they do but dont feel my input on forumns is helping anyone.
Im not even that bad but i think but maybe my views about the game may be conflicting with others so i wont post on here , well force myself not too at least.
I will still be reading the boards and hope the community will support the dev team.

Please in game if see me feel free to invite me to party as i not see many from the linkshells i was in.

I may post few times but it will hopeful be about not what i want see in the game but about what i enjoying thats already in the game.

[Winterclaw]

That's terrible advice LOL. Developers should pretend that no other games exist and then develop their dreams from there, only looking to other games as pragmatists to see how certain things were implemented. They shouldn't look to other games first and then blatantly rip off ideas that they were too unimaginative to think of themselves.

The reason for this is because when developers think of an idea - that's if they think of an idea at all - they are usually limited by the technology at their disposal when implementing it. The first MMOs ever released didn't have the tools that todays developers have, and yet Ultima Online (for example) implemented player-made housing, mount-taming, and many other novel features. They had nothing to look to for inspiration, and that helped them make a good game, based solely on their own imaginations. But their ideas were limited to the technology of the era, and so the idead that implementated were limited. Nowadays, developers have the ability to do better. But they will never be able to do better if they look only at the implementation of the idea and then imitate it rather than reimagine it.

In that case rip off UO.

Innovation can be good like the DS or it can be junk like the virtual boy. It's a double edged sword and it can help you or it can hurt you if you decide to innovate in the wrong direction.

Likewise there's times when other games are doing it wrong and times where you shouldn't reinvent the wheel. If you want markets, eve's market system was really nice and it allowed things like trading from one town to the next to be a real profession. If you want a dye system for armor, I've really love what GW2 is doing.

Finally new ideas are difficult to do and make popular. ATITD is an innovative idea for an MMO, but I haven't played it. I've heard of new games being developed to revolutionize MMOs but they tend to either be gutted or turned into vaporware. Also people who are fans of one idea will hate anything that's different than what they are used to. For example, I've suggested on the forums to get rid of skills designed mostly to manage hate: ie to make group combat about kiting and proper positioning... it didn't get much traction. Yet for just about every MMO I can think of, there is a tank class and he's got a skill that draws AI attention. The thing is, those skills were originally developed before sophisticated 3d interfaces, and despite it being nearly 30 years later, a same old cliche design is still in there... which is an example of ripping off a bad idea.

[gifthorse]

In that case rip off UO.

Innovation can be good like the DS or it can be junk like the virtual boy. It's a double edged sword and it can help you or it can hurt you if you decide to innovate in the wrong direction.

Likewise there's times when other games are doing it wrong and times where you shouldn't reinvent the wheel. If you want markets, eve's market system was really nice and it allowed things like trading from one town to the next to be a real profession. If you want a dye system for armor, I've really love what GW2 is doing.

Finally new ideas are difficult to do and make popular. ATITD is an innovative idea for an MMO, but I haven't played it. I've heard of new games being developed to revolutionize MMOs but they tend to either be gutted or turned into vaporware. Also people who are fans of one idea will hate anything that's different than what they are used to. For example, I've suggested on the forums to get rid of skills designed mostly to manage hate: ie to make group combat about kiting and proper positioning... it didn't get much traction. Yet for just about every MMO I can think of, there is a tank class and he's got a skill that draws AI attention. The thing is, those skills were originally developed before sophisticated 3d interfaces, and despite it being nearly 30 years later, a same old cliche design is still in there... which is an example of ripping off a bad idea.

Yeah exactly.

Just look at Final Fantasy games in general. The whole battle system is heavily reliant on stats. But sats don't reflect reality. Stats were originally the best that game designers could do though if they wanted to reflect reality and progression. And yet even though nowadays game developers are able to reflect reality in more reality-reflecting ways, instead they fall back to the stat-based systems. Enmity-controlling skills are a perfect example of that.

[Thsscks]

Great thread man! This forum has really become unbearable, far more unbearable than the actual game.
When I was still playing Star Wars Galaxies the situation was worse because a great and unique game was turned into less enjoyable game. The so called combat upgrade made the game unoriginal and the "new game enhancements" made it even more dull. The biggest mistakes were not listening to the playerbase.
This game is not even a year old and the developers are showing some real dedication towards make this a successful game. They are even paying attention to what most of the community wants and what not.
I find that really brave of them because so far this community is acting like a spoiled brat. Every few days some player makes a new thread about how they want their money back or how much they suffer by playing this game and not having all the other stuff from other mmo's. How they want this game to be exactly like FFXI and how the developers are doing nothing at all.
People aren't even considering what it takes (in terms of time, thought and work) to implement big changes in a game like this, or what the state of their country is in. They expect them to be wizards who can change the game in a whiff to something magical.
I'm not defending that the state the game is in is something to be proud of, but repeating all the bad aspects of this game day by day is not going to help the developers or the community as a whole. It is only making it worse because no matter how good a game can be if the community sucks than the game will suck too.

[chime85]

Well taking the OP's point when he began this thread, I do see what he is saying.

We all have our opinions on what is right/wrong with this game currently and for the future. The main problem in these forums is that sometimes we get carried away with that.

Discussion and sharing of viewpoints is wonderful, that is how people come together with ideas on how to solve situations. What is not so wonderful is when discussion and compramise turns into childish antics. Unfortunately, that does seem to be a symptom of these discussion forums.

Consider this when posting. Of course, you have your opinions, and it is great to share them. However, consider your wording. Could your words upset someone, could you construct your argument in a more positive manner? It takes but a few minutes to re-read what you have typed before you press "send". Why not think of those few minutes to consider if you should "press the rewind button" on what you say.

After all, the pen is mightier than the sword. Would you be careless with a sword? I didnt think so

Kimiko x

[Mug]

SE have been very quiet lately, so when people don't have anything new to talk about, they turn on eachother and argue instead. It doesn't help that the stuff SE do tell us about is so extremely unexciting. If they want the forums to be buzzing with excitement and anticipation, they need to give us a little more than what they've given us so far.

I'm sure it will calm down as soon as they give use some proper updates about what's going on.

[wind]

thank you mr. i don't even play the game

made me lol IRL

[LillithaFenimore]

Well tbh, some of these threads can become very heated, and I also read on ZAM as well, and it can be volitile sometimes there too. Yeah are the threads here (and possibly else where) becoming a bit much to deal with, yeah, however, you just have to take people's opinions with a grain of salt because of the many things you mentioned in your post OP (all of which I agree with, however, I think I would have tried to put it all in friendly terms as to not light a fire under people's bottoms like you may have )

[Kaedan]

lol

This was quite entertaining... Synopsis of the OP:

"I think people crying on both sides of the argument are pathetic. But no, wait... really I'm just saying that those crying about things that I don't agree with are pathetic. I also think that people who play a lot are crying too much and need to go get a life and stop posting their opinions (great ASSumption there OP)."

[Ilean]

XI isn't still there. How about you shut up and learn what you're talking about before telling someone else what to do.

LOL! You are hoping for SE to make the new game more like the old game was but no longer is because SE changed it?

You already lost.

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