NM Battles Fights and the end result

[Draven]

I just finished watching a bunch of videos on YouTube of pro groups fighting NM battles like Uraeus, Dodore, and Bloatbelly Goblin for example. Honestly, I'm not a loot whore, but doing a 15-30 minute fight and getting a piece of meat, an egg, or nothing at all, is completely unfair.


One of the basic foundations of any game is risk vs reward. With that much time, energy and all the things these groups do to kill an enemy, but they don't get anything significantly tangible is the biggest slap in the face I think for most gamers.

Yeah, the fights look quite fun and the memories are good. But look at how most of us are going to feel at the end of these fights...just like them. "No items..." "Didn't drop anything" are the same kinds of lines we'll have and a general air of disappointment. Hell, I'm disappointed for them and dispirited watching these videos.



I want to like this game. I love the FF franchise, stories, characters, monsters, ect. I've been patient but I'm coming to my limit soon. This is all too reminiscent of a lot of negative feelings I had for XI. I spent a great deal of time in that game but I never really got anything out of it. The end feeling is one of wishing I had gotten more out of the time I invested into it. I'm already starting to feel like that now. I don't want to go through that again.

If SE can't understand how to reward players properly for their time invested by the time PS3 and/or subscription plans resume; I'll find another game that does.

[Chardrizard]

You want everything to drop at 100% rate? >_________>

[Zhyrios]

You want everything to drop at 100% rate? >_________>

i dont think he means everything, dont take his post out of context.

generally i think mobs that have Hard and lengthy battles should always, or atleast most of the time give you something worth your while.

Take FFXI for example, Charybdis took a whole party or more to kill unless you were a specific subset of jobs. the risk of dying, and another party claiming it was high. But the Joyeuse dropped 100% off of it. that's risk vs reward.

Then take Leaping Lizzy, a relatively low monster, that's easily killed by nearly any job above level 10. Taking near no risk to kill, spawning very often, had a lousy drop rate on the Bounding boots, again, risk vs reward. Less risk, less time, less effort, less reward, and vice versa for high risk and high effort.

[Draven]

i dont think he means everything, dont take his post out of context.

generally i think mobs that have Hard and lengthy battles should always, or atleast most of the time give you something worth your while.

Take FFXI for example, Charybdis took a whole party or more to kill unless you were a specific subset of jobs. the risk of dying, and another party claiming it was high. But the Joyeuse dropped 100% off of it. that's risk vs reward.

Then take Leaping Lizzy, a relatively low monster, that's easily killed by nearly any job above level 10. Taking near no risk to kill, spawning very often, had a lousy drop rate on the Bounding boots, again, risk vs reward. Less risk, less time, less effort, less reward, and vice versa for high risk and high effort.

I think this is a good interpretation of my point. Thanks Z

No Visch, I don't expect an absolute, 100% drop of the exact item I expect to get. And please don't bring your attitude from previous threads like that. Just makes you look bad.

Chard. These fights do not look like a "joke" at all. They looked very serious and quite a lot of effort was put into them. At this point, before patching or anything, these monsters should be dropping something(s) of value imo. The time invested alone merits it.

[Visch]

No Visch, I don't expect an absolute, 100% drop of the exact item I expect to get. And please don't bring your attitude from previous threads like that. Just makes you look bad.

You look bad for talking about something you have no experience in.

These NMs were jokes before April 14th now they're even bigger jokes. They repop about every hour and are always up on off times. It's a joke that is why everyone has dodore doublets and tricornes.

[Chardrizard]

Chard. These fights do not look like a "joke" at all. They looked very serious and quite a lot of effort was put into them. At this point, before patching or anything, these monsters should be dropping something(s) of value imo. The time invested alone merits it.

exactly they "do not look like a joke" which makes them a good trailer for new players, then you came in, play, disapointed because it is a joke, and open another whine thread about it.

[Reika]

You want everything to drop at 100% rate? >_________>

Well there are games like WoW where bosses have 100% drop of random epic gear....

[Jinko]

Well there are games like WoW where bosses have 100% drop of random epic gear....

And this is what makes WoW so good in that sense, you still aren't guaranteed to get the drop you want but someone in the party is most likely going to have some use for the item that does.

Having each NM drop multiple items would be a start, the mid ranged NM's actually do this and it works quite well I think.

[Abriael]

Having each NM drop multiple items would be a start, the mid ranged NM's actually do this and it works quite well I think.

They already drop multiple items, and you can break horns/arms/etc for further items.

[Jinko]

They already drop multiple items, and you can break horns/arms/etc for further items.

You incapacitate to increase the chance of the "main" items dropping though, but from what I gather people only kill Dodore to get the wing and that is the only unique item he drops.

Now if he dropped something else which was unique, say an eye or a lens which could be used in a different recipe it would double the chance of getting one of those items, people don't want to spend 20-30 mins killing something to get a frikkin Chocobo Feather +3