How to generate more hate than a healer?

[Tyrzea]

I have to confess: I am not a GLD by passion - I am forced to be a tank out of necessity.
I have LNC50 and CNJ50 from FFXIV v1.0.
Tanks are in a high demand - can't get a dungeon party as DD for 30+ minutes and getting as GLD in just 30 sec.

My stats as GLD32 are:
HP 1240 MP 389 TP 1000
STR 133
DEX 103
VIT 158
ATTACK 133
SKILL SPEED 200
DEFENSE 224
PARRY 194
CRITICAL HIT RATE 206

I open a fight with Shield Lob and Flash, then Fast blade+Savage blade+Rage of Halone and then repeat the chain against my target. I do use Provoke on my mob.
I can self-heal to some extent using CNJ and PGL healing and evasion skills yet ... I can not generate the hate to keep all the mobs on me!

The healer is targeted by secondary mobs, start kiting and dies. Then I die.
It is not an easy job to be a tank otherwise there would be plenty.
I read a lot about tanking job on the forum, skills and UI layout.

What am I missing?

Appreciate the reading and happy tanking :-)

[Garnatian]

Mark Target 1 -> Shield Lob Target 1 -> Flash x 2 -> Fast + Savage Marked Target 1 -> Flash -> Rage Target 1 -> Fast + Savage Target 2 -> Rage Target 1 -> Fast + Savage Target 3 -> Rage Target 1 etc.

You really shouldn't use Provoke, it's a pretty worthless skill.

[Deex]

When tanking each time you target a mob you'll see bars on the left side of the screen showing your current hate and everyone else's current hate against that target mob. Start off with a Fast Blade into the secondary Attack which generates incredibly high threat! Use this on all the targets you can, while tossing out a Flash here and there. Dont be shy to blow your DPS CDs at this point as well as Blood Bath from the MAR (level 8 i believe, worth it! Its awesome for tanking, heals you and generates extra threat because of said healing)

Swap targets while remaining locked onto your current target. If you have to mark your current target with a marker so dps know to focus on that one. Hope that helps!

[Deroth]

When there is more than one target and you don't have someone that is hot on the sleeps, you absolutely must rotate tthrough all of them to maintain threat (flash alone will not out threat the healer.)

[rzr22]

First of all, from what I understand, Provoke works in that it takes whoever has the highest threat on the mob and gives that same amount of threat to you plus one, or something like that. So don't be provoking just to provoke. It doesn't just give you enmity and I assume it does nothing on a target you already have threat on. Provoke an enemy that isn't on you and follow it up with a threat generating move. For example, if a mob is at range on your healer, provoke it and throw a Shield Lob at it.

As for the rest, it sounds like you have the gist of it. I'm only 27 almost 28, but I pull with Shield Lob and flash. Then I try to get a Fast Blade > Savage Blade combo on the main target and then do a Rage of Halone on another target then maybe Flash again.

Two things that can help.

1.) Don't have an idiotic healer. I've seen healers that will do nothing but AoE heal. Bad. I've seen healers that over heal like crazy. All they do is spam heals even when it's not necessary. Bad. Both these types of healers pull more threat than they should be and are stupid.

2.) Use CC. I know CNJ gets Repose. THM has Sleepga. You can use this to CC mobs so that they aren't running all willy nilly. And really, there is no point in tanking multiple enemies if you have CC available unless you're AoEing them.

If you're doing all of the above, then something is wrong. Your gear is broken. Your group is bad. I don't know.

[Jahaudant]

At your level, if you're feeling lazy, you can probably just hit Flash after each Halone rather than comboing the other targets individually.

You basically regenerate full MP running between each trash pull. Don't bother using Flash sparingly.

[HiirNoivl]

At your level, if you're feeling lazy, you can probably just hit Flash after each Halone rather than comboing the other targets individually.

You basically regenerate full MP running between each trash pull. Don't bother using Flash sparingly.

Liked your post.

Never hold back as a tank, not only a little, especially on multi-mob pulls. I'll wait the required 3 secs for a tic of TP but I'm using Overpower until everything's dead. It's just easier to rest for TP after you've generated hate on everything and nothing's running around out of your hands. For Single Target, run in and use STUN right away so that you're not getting hit and no cures are being thrown.

Really easy way to keep hate off the healer.

[rzr22]

And yes, switch targets like they've said.

Tab target every now mid threat combo and check threat levels. If the healer is getting kind high, throw a Savage Blade or Rage of Halone on them. That should hold threat for a decent amount of time.

[FrostIcereaver]

The tanks job is not to worry about damage thats what the DDS are for. I shield lob wait till the mobs are all close to me trigger flash. I do one or 2 combos on a mob then shift to another target and pop a combo or 2 on them. Dont hesitate to throw a shield lob in. The parties I have had have been up to 30 (beta phase 3). It also helps if the mages can sleep some of the extra targets. Oh and by the way that sign over the mobs crap is for the birds. SOP is to attack what the tank is attacking, and youll tell by the hp decrease. I dont mark my targets you should see what im hitting and whack it till its dead..then go to what im hitting. A good tank (such as myself) will realize hey in .05 seconds this mob will die so ill switch to the next target to get a ws in to help lock hate. Thats how its been done since the first umbral era and thats how it should be done today.

[Maraf]

Everything that the others said work and its valid so you should follow the advices that works for you.

But I wanted to add my opinion. Which is that I see that maybe there is a problem with the rest of the party in your case. I usually use the same combo with lesser mobs, trash mobs (except Provoke, I don't even use it with trash mobs) and it work just fine. I maintain Hate from every mob and everything run smoothly by just using Flash and focus my attacks on my target.

That's the key in my opinion, MY target or in these case, YOUR target. The way I see it, maybe what happens to you is that the rest of the party use too many AoE, and that way the others mobs lose hate on you and move to the others PC, so first of all you should MARK your target and everyone should focus on that target and if they use some AoE, you should use Flash as many times plus one, its ok to spam it, the mob won't die from your dmg but from the dmg of the DDs, so you focus on generating Hate.