6months and no AH?!

[LazyKz]

The market ward is pretty much the same thing as an AH, but with functions that prevent/slow the process of RMT. It's actually new and refreshing compared to the copy&paste AH we see in every single MMORPG. People complain because they have to walk to the retainer selling the item, but that's just being lazy. People seem to think that just because the system had a rough start out it's all the sudden a "failed feature, or not fixable" yet that's obviously NOT the case. Look at how far the system has gone, and look at how many less people talk about this subject. Keep in mind, that the original market ward system, was not a finished product, and even now still has room for improvement. Regardless, the MW's are better and more interesting.

Don't forget... we ARE playing a video game. Unless I'm waaaaaay out of the loop, we didn't get motion controls with FFXIV. I don't see how adding ease-of-play to a "sit still for hours - do nothing" game is lazy. And it seems that the other MMORPGs are doing a little better than this game. Majority wins IMO.

There are some things about the retainer system that I do enjoy and hope that they never get rid of them. The trouble I have is when I'm sitting on 50+ items that I want to circulate into the economy... it just takes way too long to look everything up for what it's selling for. There also seems to be a little too much redundancy in the MWs (also the game, but thats on other threads) that really dosn't have to be.

[Martyr]

4) AHs hurt my immersion? a.k.a. alienating me from my fantasy land with the horrors of quick, straightforward, efficient, informative and competitive global commerce. I don't know if that's even a real one but I figured it might be on Besaid.

Just have to say, as a proud member of an RP linkshell on Besaid, having an AH wouldn't hurt my immersion in the least. Quicker buying/selling means more time to actually do what the hell I want to do. Everything related to crafting and the markets already takes entirely too much time that I could be spending elsewhere doing something enjoyable. What *does* hurt my immersion is rummaging through mountains of lifeless (well, mostly lifeless after the creepy shuffling zombie patch) bodies standing for hours on end searching for the one character with a giant blazing star over their head.

I must say, the only thing I like about the wards at the moment is being able to actually see certain items on other characters before you purchase them. Then again, an item preview of sorts would remedy that.

In all honesty, though, I've learned to put up with the wards, but that's also because I've never really had anything better. I never played FFXI, so I'm not sure what their AH is like, but I can't see how it could be worse.

[AngryNixon]

Just have to say, as a proud member of an RP linkshell on Besaid, having an AH wouldn't hurt my immersion in the least. Quicker buying/selling means more time to actually do what the hell I want to do. Everything related to crafting and the markets already takes entirely too much time that I could be spending elsewhere doing something enjoyable. What *does* hurt my immersion is rummaging through mountains of lifeless (well, mostly lifeless after the creepy shuffling zombie patch) bodies standing for hours on end searching for the one character with a giant blazing star over their head.

I must say, the only thing I like about the wards at the moment is being able to actually see certain items on other characters before you purchase them. Then again, an item preview of sorts would remedy that.

In all honesty, though, I've learned to put up with the wards, but that's also because I've never really had anything better. I never played FFXI, so I'm not sure what their AH is like, but I can't see how it could be worse.

lol, wow Martyr. Thanks. That was the most positive rational thing I've read in over a month. It's nice to know someone who RPs doesn't even like it. I've heard a lot of garbage about this MW being some fantastical experience enhancing thing that adds to the realism of commerce in the game... Nice to know some people disagree.

[zaviermhigo]

My main problem with the market wards is, they can go down. Countries would fail if they're economy went to a complete halt the amount of times the wards in Eorzea do, of course this is caused by the massive amount of retainers in Uldah, which is caused by everyone being in Uldah, which is caused by the main storyline leading to Uldah, and the fact that players need a communal space, especially when population is low.

[Jinko]

^ I think they solved that issue in the last patch, retainers are now saved to their location so if the wards crash they should reappear at the same spot when they come back online again.

I do agree though, that an AH would almost never crash because there is less data being transferred.

[VydarrTyr]

GreyWolf, I think you must have somehow missed the generous slathering of sarcasm in AngryNixon's post. Might be worth it to dial it down a little, especially toward people who obviously agree with you.

[AngryNixon]

GreyWolf, I think you must have somehow missed the generous slathering of sarcasm in AngryNixon's post. Might be worth it to dial it down a little, especially toward people who obviously agree with you.

LOL... good grief. I know sometimes sarcasm doesn't carry through in text well but I thought "robot unicorn apocalypse" was a painfully clear. oh well. Serious response is serious.

Another victory for skimming and misinterpretation. Those two are so far ahead of logical response and thoughtful consideration that they're phoning it in now.

P.S. Slightly sad nobody thought of any of the other arguments against an AH. I could swear over the months there were a bit more than 4 "valid" arguments against them.

[MantiTeran]

LOL... good grief. I know sometimes sarcasm doesn't carry through in text well but I thought "robot unicorn apocalypse" was a painfully clear. oh well. Serious response is serious.

Another victory for skimming and misinterpretation. Those two are so far ahead of logical response and thoughtful consideration that they're phoning it in now.

P.S. Slightly sad nobody thought of any of the other arguments against an AH. I could swear over the months there were a bit more than 4 "valid" arguments against them.

The market wards are fine for me at least it is different, AH is a RMT market for undercutting, market wards crashing is not a bad thing it keeps RMT from selling there wares for like a month at a time.

[AngryNixon]

The market wards are fine for me at least it is different, AH is a RMT market for undercutting, market wards crashing is not a bad thing it keeps RMT from selling there wares for like a month at a time.

lol Manti, point 3 in my original post (#20). Got RMT doom covered.

Also the crashing wards prevents everyone from engaging in trade not just the RMTs. Which is I guess is ok, nobody needed to trade anything quickly or efficiently anyhow. Farming everything yourself with hard work and determination and being entirely self sufficient is the way to go. It helps me maintain ultra immersion in my RP life re-enacting Robinson Crusoe in an FFXIV setting.

[GreyWolf]

@AngryNixon

I seem to have misinterpreted m(_ _)m, my apologies. i've seen quite too many anti-AH posts I guess and took this to be another. It just really doesn't make any sense to me how a Market Ward would be overall any better than an Auction house. it perplexes me really.... I used to be a long time FFXI player and was hoping this would be a FFXI-2 sort of speak and was extremely disappointed with what has turned up.

PS the only arguement about the Auction houses in FFXI is that they were always too closely placed together... I mean there was always a lot of people in the area that it's kinda hard to move around in having to run into other players all the time. I've yet to see any valid arguments myself though.