SMN - knowing the class (part 1)

[Calibix]

For all you people saying Summoner DPS is fine, go run a parser. When every other DPS class outdoes you by 50% or more, come back and say that again... They don't bring enough utility to the table to justify the lack of DPS.

[Kevee]

For all you people saying Summoner DPS is fine, go run a parser. When every other DPS class outdoes you by 50% or more, come back and say that again... They don't bring enough utility to the table to justify the lack of DPS.

I'll get right to it when DoT damage is properly logged in the battle log, instead of needing to run a simulation.

Until then, I go by threat meters in-game.

[Vackashken]

Until then, I go by threat meters in-game.

... lol what?

[Kevee]

... lol what?

Specifically for SMN.

If you're consistently 2/3/4/etc and others are consistently lower, then you're pulling more threat=doing more damage.

[Andremal]

This thread may have just assisted me in deciding between Summoner and Scholar. Summoner. One thing though, do you play with a controller. I'm still finding precision targeting difficult with the controller. I love using DOTs especially in Dungeons.

[Vackashken]

Specifically for SMN.

If you're consistently 2/3/4/etc and others are consistently lower, then you're pulling more threat=doing more damage.

Thats a rather large leap. typically what it means is they are managing their hate better.

That is not an indicator of SMN putting up fantastic damage numbers.

[Dixa]

I'll get right to it when DoT damage is properly logged in the battle log, instead of needing to run a simulation.

Until then, I go by threat meters in-game.

the zam parser properly tracks dots.

archers hae two dots of greater potency than ours plus several 140-190 nukes, two of which are off the gcd and can be macro'd to everything else.

our threat becomes higher than the others the second you do any healing whether it by physick to yourself or just a sustain. you can't base anything on threat.

the debuff limit means the class should and would be sat for 24 man raiding.

the lack of on-demand burst means there are encounters where we are not only not ideal, but may hamper the groups progress. that's not an opinion, it's a fact.

[ReverendBaka]

the zam parser properly tracks dots.

archers hae two dots of greater potency than ours plus several 140-190 nukes, two of which are off the gcd and can be macro'd to everything else.

our threat becomes higher than the others the second you do any healing whether it by physick to yourself or just a sustain. you can't base anything on threat.

the debuff limit means the class should and would be sat for 24 man raiding.

the lack of on-demand burst means there are encounters where we are not only not ideal, but may hamper the groups progress. that's not an opinion, it's a fact.

There was an update today, and I haven't been able to log in to the game, but previously the Zam parser did not register Bio2, Bio, or Shadow Flare as damage. It also didn't register Monk's Demolish, and possibly some other spells. Perhaps they have fixed this today, but I have not been able to test that.

[Kevee]

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-No parser properly tracks DoTs because they are not in the combat log. At all.

-No they don't. Now, I'm not saying we're stronger than BRDs(they are the top DPS), but Bio II is 350 potency vs Windbite's 320, and Miasma is 320 potency versus Venomous Bite's 310. Then we also have Thunder and Bio which are 240 a piece.

-Why are you doing healing?

-I agree, it is a major issue(even for BRDs) and needs to be looked at.

-The only encounter we are not good for at the moment is Titan, and that's because whoever gets encased--Our DoTs don't affect the shell.

[Dixa]

-No parser properly tracks DoTs because they are not in the combat log. At all.

-No they don't. Now, I'm not saying we're stronger than BRDs(they are the top DPS), but Bio II is 350 potency vs Windbite's 320, and Miasma is 320 potency versus Venomous Bite's 310. Then we also have Thunder and Bio which are 240 a piece.

bio 2 takes 30 seconds and miasma 24 seconds to deliver that potency vs. windbites and venomous bites 18 seconds. really, how can math be that hard for so many?

-Why are you doing healing?

because fail pugs are fail, and because i'd rather throw out a sustain than try to resummon my pet mid battle. i have not gotten around to levelling thm up to quick cast yet due to the damned login issues