SMN - knowing the class (part 1)

[McLeech]

Everyone seems to "forget" that they have a pet as well. If you could do same DPS as BLM and have a pet than who would ever play any other DPS classes???

[RockStrongo]

I think that everyone is going to have to eventually learn that SMN is a DPS class by default (much like ACN pre-30 and BRD...to an extent). SMN does a little bit of everything and isn't going to have the same output as the other DPS classes because of the versatility of the Egis, but that doesn't mean that some damage output isn't there.

Also, with the addition of new summons and the lack of an elemental wheel, I think we are going to see much more situational uses for SMN. Perhaps Ramuh applies DoTs, Shiva uses debuffs, Leviathan well...you get the picture. We are just going to see how this job plays out and wait more than a week to complain about things we don't like, especially if 2.1 is right around the corner.

[atomicdeath]

Hmmm, a thread about summoner, and its all about the summoners spells. Instead of the pets like it should be.

Summoner is a joke.

[Aladiah]

Summoner is a joke.

Wait and see

[Nux]

Well there's some utility in SMN like crimson cyclone or landslide which can be used to interrupt most of channeling spells in dungeon. that was the case but,

the most frustrating thing for me as a summoner was the casting mechanics which prevent SMN/SCH to issue any order to the pet while channeling theirr spells. for instance when i cast bio II and all of sudden the boss/mobs start to channel spell which can be prevented (by ordering ifrit/titan to stun), guess what ? we can't do it easily because we need to interrupt our channel sequence and then gave order which in turn takes extra time to interrupt any channeling spells, in addition the summon seems to take a bit time before executing a given order. They need to fix this mechanic since it blunting the edge SMN has
Note: warr/lnc can easily switch their attack to stun in middle of animation while summoner can't (because we can freely issue an order) which i consider ridiculous

it was quite surprising that not many people complaining about this, all they care was the damage potency.

[nimuniverse]

One thing I noticed was people seem to be complaining about Garuda's feather duty and that SMN have no burst to take them down. I find it to be so easy. I had enough time to cast misama, bio ii and bio before Garuda summons feather then I cast Bane to spread them all to feathers. 2-3 ticks they all dead. No need to even chase them. Just need to pay attention and cast it right.

[glim]

^lol, feather duty, we are the best for garuda hard fight, do this, shadowflare at garuda before she teleports to AoE us, after AoE, recast full dots, when feathers spawn cast bane, then go a bit closer to miasma II them all. they're below half hp even before they reach the rocks, and that's only on one summoner.

few ticks from shadowflare, full duration of dots + miasma 2 on almost all the feathers.

[nimuniverse]

I know. People complain without learning the class. They expect SMN to be like BLM, a straight up spell caster. We are not. We are DoT. Granted pet control should be better and that there are skills like an eye for an eye, which kind of sucks since I don't really use it. People these days don't think and they just want to press a button and when they can't, they complain. I am glad some of them rerolled BLM. Don't want sucky SMN pulling the class down.

[Kevee]

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I can't agree more.

I carried an AV run yesterday(trying to get a better weapon than my 44 GC before I run endgame stuff..) with another SMN. It took roughly 40 minutes, so that is "okay" for a pug.

I don't have any idea how the SMN thought they were playing correctly, but it just reminded me of this forum and how I imagine most of the posters play.

The person would use Bio II and then Bane on trash packs, and then spam ruin. When asked why, they said "Trash mobs die too fast to keep other DoTs up."

They kept Garuda-Egi out on Sic so it would randomly KB mobs that I pulled aggro from.

Never used Miasma II.

Never kept DoTs up on bosses, just kind of applied them when they felt like it. I didn't really see any CDs used, and certainly not Raging Strikes.

Meanwhile, here I am doing ~3-4 times their damage and pulling aggro off the tank on bosses, and single-handedly carrying the whole instance. Miser? Not a problem. Just need to pay attention to what mobs your DoTs get spread to when you bane.


It just..boggles my mind.



Edit: SMN is probably the least casual-friendly class in the game, and it really needs a strict rotation and proper timing to be done properly. That's where I think all the complaints are coming from.

[jayquik03]

Summoner is a support class and now you know. /end thread.