SMN - knowing the class (part 1)

[Malix]

Nim,

While I love seeing people love their class in any game. You can not make an argument to say that SMN is amongst the top, even in AoE.

I love dot classes. And mained a lock and SPriest in wow for a long time. Multi-dotting is awesome but unfortunately u will cause more aggravation then is needed by breaking CC if its being used. Secondly, when it comes down to it, trash DPS really doesn't matter end game, unless u have a boss that is focused around AoE(rare).

I see SMN being awesome in PvP, and I think they should give them more support abilities. But top dps... Is not a title they hold yet.

You can say this for any class that is not bard. My parses are close to any other dps and it doesn't even track my strongest DoTs. That tells me they are competitive in both AoE and single target fights. Perhaps you are seeing something i am not but i highly doubt there is any summoner that too much of a gear gap that is higher than mines but they are fine from my gear level(i dont wear AF and a good weapon). If you guys are talking that the leveling damage than ill just leave you to your devices.

[VayneDarkborn]

You can say this for any class that is not bard. My parses are close to any other dps and it doesn't even track my strongest DoTs. That tells me they are competitive in both AoE and single target fights. Perhaps you are seeing something i am not but i highly doubt there is any summoner that too much of a gear gap that is higher than mines but they are fine from my gear level(i dont wear AF and a good weapon). If you guys are talking that the leveling damage than ill just leave you to your devices.

no where did i say that smn dps is terrible or not competitive, nor did i mention anything on gear levels, or to leveling damage. I was referring to common end game mechanics in MMO's, tactics that the OP were suggesting, and how in common situations they would not always be applicable. But thank you for tooting your own horn. I'm sure ur just epic.

[Malix]

no where did i say that smn dps is terrible or not competitive, nor did i mention anything on gear levels, or to leveling damage. I was referring to common end game mechanics in MMO's, tactics that the OP were suggesting, and how in common situations they would not always be applicable. But thank you for tooting your own horn. I'm sure ur just epic.

You didn't say they were that however you did imply it by saying "You can not make an argument to say that SMN is amongst the top, even in AoE.". If you want to talk about mechanics, smn has a better time dealing with them than a lot of classes. Tooting my own horn? where did i do that? providing information to back up my argument is tooting my own horn? Chances are if i didn't say that your reply would of been something about what gear i was in. Tooting my own horn would be talking about every piece of gear i had or how awesome my dps was. I did none of that, the gear i have is basically the average at this point for any 50 smn that did more than just grinded to 50.

[FUNgineer]

Here's an HM Ifrit parse earlier today: http://puu.sh/4ibai/e93a287ff6.png

Whens Marvel: Bard
Anniemay: Summoner
Asami: Dragoon
Champion: Monk

Things of interest on the parse:
- Garuda does a hefty bit of damage, at about 1/3 of my total damage if you disregard the limit break. The 700+ dmg hit was from an Enkindle with Rouse and Spur applied
- Accuracy seems to be an useless stat because nothing ever misses... Give me something else on the darklight cowl T.T
- Summoner DPS is fine.

[Viridiana]

Here's an HM Ifrit parse earlier today: http://puu.sh/4ibai/e93a287ff6.png

So. . .that 7273 LB you did. . .Is 7,273 the total damage, or just the largest of the hits? I'm assuming you used in on an add phase, and that you hit multiple enemies. I'm just trying to figure out how much of your 82,800-odd damage was non-LB.

[FUNgineer]

The parse worked by counting dmg dealt to ifrit, so the 7273 dmg only counted once because the limit break only hit ifrit once. without the limit break I did around 75.5k to the boss.

I was worried for a bit too because I thought the limit was calculated as 7273x4 dmg until my friend told me that this was dmg on ifrit alone lol

[Viridiana]

The parse worked by counting dmg dealt to ifrit, so the 7273 dmg only counted once because the limit break only hit ifrit once. without the limit break I did around 75.5k to the boss.

I'd love to believe that, but I think your friend may be wrong.

57k non-LB damage to Ifrit and only 13,330 DOT damage to Ifrit means that you'd have to have done 44k non-DOT, non-pet, non-LB damage to Ifrit, which is more than half your total damage. Everything I've heard about SMN paints this as unlikely in the extreme.

5x 7k LBs (Ifrit and 4 Nails), though, puts you at about 50k non-LB damage comprising 13k DOT, 13k normal, and 24k pet. This seems more likely, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[FUNgineer]

Time to reroll black mage then, jump ship :V

[shinros]

Time to reroll black mage then, jump ship :V

Funny thing is I have done the exact same thing. Level 38 black mage at the moment, my problem is that summoner is dot class. Why is that so? we are called SUMMONER we should of been about the pets our skills should of centered around PETS not DOTS. In world of warcraft we have a warlock class that summons loads of demons so I went demonlogy spec since it dealt with these awesome pets and improved them and gave them new commands.

I did not pick summoner to play an affliction warlock or shadow priest I wanted a pet class. Funny enough black mage is the actual warlock of the game of the game world if you examine the lore and pay attention to their questline.

*sigh* Its sad I wanted a pet class. *cries* not a poor man necromancer/affliction warlock.

[Joryn]

Also something that no one is taking into account with BRD or Archer is that they can use their attacks more frequently than other classes. They have a lower cooldown timer across the board without using Skill speed food. They're always casting something and they're casting it a lot faster than anyone else. No matter if it's a DOT or DD skill. The recasting of a DOT doesn't drop their DPS that much cause in less than 1 second they're casting bloodshot or heavy shot or what have you anyway, all while being on the move. I'm not advocating that SMN does more or less damage than anyone. I'm just saying that if you're going to compare a class to another you need to know BOTH CLASSES well before you can make an informed statement. I'm a LNC/DRG and even I'm a bit O_o over how much damage Archers/BRDs can put out given that in 1.0 they were a strict support class.