SMN - knowing the class (part 1)

[shinros]

Time to reroll black mage then, jump ship :V

Funny thing is I have done the exact same thing. Level 38 black mage at the moment, my problem is that summoner is dot class. Why is that so? we are called SUMMONER we should of been about the pets our skills should of centered around PETS not DOTS. In world of warcraft we have a warlock class that summons loads of demons so I went demonlogy spec since it dealt with these awesome pets and improved them and gave them new commands.

I did not pick summoner to play an affliction warlock or shadow priest I wanted a pet class. Funny enough black mage is the actual warlock of the game of the game world if you examine the lore and pay attention to their questline.

*sigh* Its sad I wanted a pet class. *cries* not a poor man necromancer/affliction warlock.

[tn2389]

People are not understanding the difficulty of a good summoner and therefore are not playing the class to their limit. They're parsing low and complaining that summoners are weak. To start this conversation, I have played many MMO's in my past and have been in top raiding guilds in World of Warcraft as a shadow priest parsing top 20 scores in the world.

We are also getting flak because the 3rd party application everyone is using to parse, ffxiv-app, does not correctly parse Bio or Bio II which are our two strongest spells. They will average anywhere from 15-25 EACH over the course of a fight depending upon gear levels.

[tn2389]

I have done about 10 keep runs and 5 Ifrit runs and have parsed on the training dummies. One mistake a lot of people are making is that everyone uses the Garuda pet. It does 10 DPS less than Ifrit (yet everybody uses it). The only benefit of Garuda is that it will refresh your dots every 3 cycles. This does not give you 10 DPS more from Ruin in your free casts (instead it would be about 3). So you're losing 7 DPS from even using Garuda.

On every single fight I have parsed between 110 and 140 DPS depending on how much movement is involved. This isn't even counting the 30-50 extra DPS I should be parsing. That would mean I'm doing on average 165 DPS. I also only have three pieces of Darklight so I have a lot more potential DPS to gain. I have the belt, bracers, and a weapon.

[Kevee]

I have done about 10 keep runs and 5 Ifrit runs and have parsed on the training dummies. One mistake a lot of people are making is that everyone uses the Garuda pet. It does 10 DPS less than Ifrit (yet everybody uses it). The only benefit of Garuda is that it will refresh your dots every 3 cycles. This does not give you 10 DPS more from Ruin in your free casts (instead it would be about 3). So you're losing 7 DPS from even using Garuda.

On every single fight I have parsed between 110 and 140 DPS depending on how much movement is involved. This isn't even counting the 30-50 extra DPS I should be parsing. That would mean I'm doing on average 165 DPS. I also only have three pieces of Darklight so I have a lot more potential DPS to gain. I have the belt, bracers, and a weapon.

Contagion + Raging Strikes > Ifrit

Contagion + Bane > Ifrit, too, even with the bug. Now just try to do Contagion + Raging Strikes + Bane. LOL

[FUNgineer]

On 2nd thought, maybe this isn't the end of the world:

with 3 dots up, the average tick that shows up is around 250 dmg. Assuming I was bad and only had 3 dots rolling at all times (conservative estimate, I used shadowflare and thunder as well), then there would be a total of 13330 / 250 = 53.32 dot ticks. Multiply the dot ticks by 3 and that gives us 159.96 seconds. According to the bard's dps, the fight lasted about 511 seconds, so I'm wondering whether dots are accurately being counted into the dot damage, or it may be rolled into overall damage done.

After servers are up I'll go to the dummies with the parser and see exactly what's going on :V

[FUNgineer]

Aero isn't cross classable as summoner though, I was sad when I found out at lvl 30. I haven't tested ifrit and garuda damage so far, but I've noticed that using ifrit makes me drain mana (Sustaining Thunder, Shadow Flare, Miasma, Bio, Bio 2, and using ruin 1 as filler (cheaper mp cost than ruin 2) a lot faster because contagion isn't available to ifrit. With Ifrit I have to use more energy drains to maintain mana, and more endrains mean less Festers. Contagion as someone pointed out, can have a max potency of (40+35+35+35)x5=725 potency, which is quite hefty for something on a 1 minute CD. Either way, it's a new class and the parser may seem to have issues recognizing dots, but it doesn't feel that we're so terrible that we're not worth bringing to parties.

[Amsai]

Someone sell me on virus. It doesnt seem terrible but seems too much trouble to worry with so many otber things like dots pet skills etc. To keep up. Maybe if the CD or durratiin wasnt so bleh. Anyways im open to otbers thoughts.

[Dixa]

people keep saying that the parser doesnt pick up bio and bio 2 but it pickes up other dots. we need proof of this.

anyone who can get the stupid thing to work, go to one of the target dummies. no pet. cast only bio and bio 2. if ANY damage is picked up - you were probably wrong. neither ability does damage on the initial cast.

as this game lumps all dot damage into a single tick every 3 seconds (which also likely means there are ticks being lost somewhere on individual dots) i find it hard to believe that a parser would pick up aero and miasma but not bio and bio 2

[Kevee]

people keep saying that the parser doesnt pick up bio and bio 2 but it pickes up other dots. we need proof of this.

anyone who can get the stupid thing to work, go to one of the target dummies. no pet. cast only bio and bio 2. if ANY damage is picked up - you were probably wrong. neither ability does damage on the initial cast.

as this game lumps all dot damage into a single tick every 3 seconds (which also likely means there are ticks being lost somewhere on individual dots) i find it hard to believe that a parser would pick up aero and miasma but not bio and bio 2

No, the parser doesn't properly log any DoTs. It runs a simulation.

It can't parse the DoTs because they aren't logged in the combat log.

[Maku]

I love SMN and though I agree that the differences between the ACN Carbuncles and the SMN Egi-s is super lack luster the only thing I really want to see is the ability to move the abilities around on the pets Toolbar. I have accidentally sent little Titan away on accident a few times and it is really annoying. Given this is totally my fault and I realize it is a L2P moment but I would still love to be able to move other traits around for ease of use.