SMN - knowing the class (part 1)

[shinros]

a dps class that is support(wut?)? Oh so you admit we do less damage than everyone else? A dps class that does rubbish damage? Well this class was not built well. Yup re rolling and staying a thaumturge for sure now.

A dps is not there for support thats the healers job and scholar? They do the support thing a lot better with all their buffs.

[nimuniverse]

It seems you really don't understand the class. If you are looking for straight up damage dealer, go other classes just like you did with THM/BLM. Like I mention, in dungeon, where we don't shine on single mob, we shined on multiple mobs. 95% of dungeons have 2-3 mobs for each fight. They take around 75-90secs to die (I timed it based on the Bio II DoT's, since it required me to cast more than 2 times). Your other classes are doing damage on single target based where we are dealing damage on multiple target with our DoTs (unless you are the type that just cast on one single target, then you don't understand the class). Like I said, by the time the party get to 3rd add, it already lost about 20-25% health. If you combine total number (including pet), we do more damage than other classes per dungeon. Once again we are DoT class. If you want, melting faces, then SMN is not the class for you.

[Viridiana]

95% of dungeons have 2-3 mobs for each fight. They take around 75-90secs to die (I timed it based on the Bio II DoT's, since it required me to cast more than 2 times).

Y'know, I was with you right up to about here. I haven't seen many trash mobs that take more than about 20-25 seconds to die. It's extremely rare that I cast Windbiter more than once per mob, because by the time it wears off there's not enough health remaining to make it worth the cooldown. If mobs are really taking you this long, I have to wonder just how low your DPS is. . .

[nimuniverse]

So you are saying a malboro in av or drakes in (I forgot name but lvl 44/47 dungeons) die in 20-25 secs? Your party must be wearing godly gear. Let's say that's the truth. If that's the case, when you are shooting one at a time, SMN has applied DoTs on all if them. So first mob died in 20-25 sec, meaning 2nd mob already took 20-25sec of health loss and 3rd mob lost 40-45 sec of health when party get to them. Isn't that better than having to attack mobs with full health? Based on your 20-25 sec rate, then 3rd mob already lost like 60%+ more health.

[Viridiana]

So you are saying a malboro in av or drakes in (I forgot name but lvl 44/47 dungeons) die in 20-25 secs?

Congratulations finding two exceptions. Only, you're still messing up, because the Malboros in AV are single-target pulls, meaning Bane would be useless. Even the drake pulls end in about 70 seconds, because the drake takes about 30 and the two mobs with them take even less.

[Yukagama]

Y'know, I was with you right up to about here. I haven't seen many trash mobs that take more than about 20-25 seconds to die. It's extremely rare that I cast Windbiter more than once per mob, because by the time it wears off there's not enough health remaining to make it worth the cooldown. If mobs are really taking you this long, I have to wonder just how low your DPS is. . .

Would like to know how are her stats set up. I do perfectly damage and dots and I consider summoner a dps job and acn a dot class isn't why we were given a choice to choose btw smn and sch. will smn always will be a damage dealer. am a full time SMN so looking forward to doing testing these weeks to when am not busy.

[McLeech]

Everyone seems to "forget" that they have a pet as well. If you could do same DPS as BLM and have a pet than who would ever play any other DPS classes???

[RockStrongo]

I think that everyone is going to have to eventually learn that SMN is a DPS class by default (much like ACN pre-30 and BRD...to an extent). SMN does a little bit of everything and isn't going to have the same output as the other DPS classes because of the versatility of the Egis, but that doesn't mean that some damage output isn't there.

Also, with the addition of new summons and the lack of an elemental wheel, I think we are going to see much more situational uses for SMN. Perhaps Ramuh applies DoTs, Shiva uses debuffs, Leviathan well...you get the picture. We are just going to see how this job plays out and wait more than a week to complain about things we don't like, especially if 2.1 is right around the corner.

[atomicdeath]

Hmmm, a thread about summoner, and its all about the summoners spells. Instead of the pets like it should be.

Summoner is a joke.