(Un)Official Arcanist/Summmoner Feedback Thread

[Imoye]

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I respectfully disagree.

"Not much time to test SMN", and what exactly is your point? SMN is working perfectly as it is now.

"X class wasn't available for a lot of testing, so it should be changed even though it's working perfectly and lots of people enjoy the playstile". What you don't get, is that you can't change one thing about a class without affecting other aspects of it. It's not as simple as adding a summon that drains mana. You can't do a complete overhaul for personal gains, there has to be a fundamental problem, and in this case, there isn't.

In reality, there's not even an arguement here. People always complain about things they don't like. Just because you in particular don't like something or want something to be changed, doesn't mean it'll be changed. And in this case, nothing's going to change. You certainly can't hand out "buffs" effectively nerfing personal DPS, when this isn't even a support class. You already have to interact with your pet, if you're not, then you're a bad player.

I suggest rerolling.

[RandolphDupree]

Please tell me exactly how you "interact" with your pet? You put on DoT's and press one button to contagion the mobs. Wow all that interaction just blew my mind!
With the lack of time to test it I mean that they did not have any idea how users would react to the way the job plays. To say that talking about the problems that you have with the class will do nothing is simply you being a Debbie Downer. People expressing their feeling about the game in the official forums is what COULD lead to either changes or shape the way the job grows in the future. I know that changes would not be easy but it is by no means impossible. Why couldn't you hand out buffs and nerf dps on smn? Technically there are NO support classes. BRD is dps "technically". SMN already has awesome dps why not scale it back and give some buffs?

[Kevee]

Did some extensive time on turn 5 tonight.

442 Accuracy is 100% for me, 97.8% for Garuda.

On individual pulls it's been as low as 81%.

[Supersun]

I think if they had just stuck with the look/feel of summoner from XI people would be a lot happier.

I remember Summoner from XI.

Summon Titan
Earthen Ward
Dismiss
Cure for 1 min

It was actually pretty reminiscence of Summoners from FF3-9

People hated it.

[RandolphDupree]

That was if you played it as /WHM. I stopped in 2009 but up til then I was always a /sam melee smn. Constantly attacking to use Spirit Taker and refill MP while rotating through 3 diff summons to BP: Rage/Ward. Best part about it was there was no resting to refil mp. It was insanely fun in endgame. If you played it as a gimped whm you would feel like a gimped whm. When you actually used the job as a summoner it was a very fun high burst damage/buffing class that required a lot of action on your part.

[Kevee]

That was if you played it as /WHM. I stopped in 2009 but up til then I was always a /sam melee smn. Constantly attacking to use Spirit Taker and refill MP while rotating through 3 diff summons to BP: Rage/Ward. Best part about it was there was no resting to refil mp. It was insanely fun in endgame. If you played it as a gimped whm you would feel like a gimped whm. When you actually used the job as a summoner it was a very fun high burst damage/buffing class that required a lot of action on your part.

You were one of those people?

"It's my money, I can play how I want!"

Yeah, and the party is collectively paying more.

Don't be a unique snowflake at the expense of others.

I'm surprised you even got a party like that. Like, really surprised.

Like, I don't believe it surprised.

I bet you solo'd like that, right?


In a real scenario, you never used SMN as a SMN besides once a minute for Titan AoE Stoneskin, or Garuda AoE blink.

[Zholi]

Did some extensive time on turn 5 tonight.

442 Accuracy is 100% for me, 97.8% for Garuda.

On individual pulls it's been as low as 81%.

Do you think, for a final setup, it would be worth sacrificing some crit on gear to boost Garuda to 100% accuracy, since accuracy from food will not benefit your pet? Accuracy is fairly low if you try to use gear that is all considered "BiS." I did some rough calculations that would put a 100% accuracy Garuda as an overall 2.1~% increase in DPS (Summoner and pet combined) for me. I forget what my Garuda's overall accuracy was, but it was somewhere between 95 and 98%.

Although this is for melee, valk's calculator indicates that an increase of 50 crit rate only increases overall DPS by 1.59%, which seems to indicate boosting Garuda's accuracy would give greater returns. SMN is a bit more complicated because of the pet (especially the fact that it seems to need more accuracy than its master), so it's difficult to say, and I am admittedly no math expert.

[Kevee]

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I'm going to be carrying ACC gear and summon Garuda, and then switch to my normal gear and use food*. When I get my chest Monday, I won't be sharding my Vanya, for exactly this reason.

*Remember, pet doesn't get any benefit from food which just puts us further behind, in that aspect, as compared to all other DPS.

[Haterade]

That was if you played it as /WHM. I stopped in 2009 but up til then I was always a /sam melee smn. Constantly attacking to use Spirit Taker and refill MP while rotating through 3 diff summons to BP: Rage/Ward. Best part about it was there was no resting to refil mp. It was insanely fun in endgame. If you played it as a gimped whm you would feel like a gimped whm. When you actually used the job as a summoner it was a very fun high burst damage/buffing class that required a lot of action on your part.

*You have unlocked the achievement: First person in an mmo to want a nerf of their own class*

I quit Xi in 2004 so correcte if I m wrong but smns were almost completely worthless. Everything about them was sub par whether that be healing or being a dd. If I have been reading your posts right you want to return to this. You make my brain hurt sir.

[RandolphDupree]

You were one of those people?
Yeah, and the party is collectively paying more.

I'm surprised you even got a party like that. Like, really surprised.

In a real scenario, you never used SMN as a SMN besides once a minute for Titan AoE Stoneskin, or Garuda AoE blink.

My damage was only a bit below other DD classes due to constant melee and 400 dmg spirit takers combined with predator claws and other BPs and I was keeping up hastega, stoneskin, and one other buff (usually fenrir's depending on moon phase) at the same time. Not exactly a drain on pt....
I'm guessing you only played /whm. It did take quite a while to convince people to let me in pt's but once people saw what the job was capable of they liked it. /whm was easy mode with low results. My point is now instead of melee with sprit taker we have DoT's with aetherflow, and energy drain. Class isn't far off.