(Un)Official Arcanist/Summmoner Feedback Thread

[Kevee]

Actually, I have. I have a 50 BLM with relic and I know that when you transpose after 1 flare (because you can't always convert or use an MP potion, I don't know if you're aware of this...) the MP gain is slow and trying to normally cast bliz 3 is slower since you're in umbral ice. Sometimes there might be a situation you want to kill the adds and then quickly focus the boss-- the adds don't always start stacked together in a 5 yalm radius, so you may opt not to swiftcast the flare. Or maybe you have to move sooner than you think after you transpose.

Having a class at 50 with a relic means nothing.

I don't know if you're aware of this, but if you don't have Convert/MP potion, you shouldn't be using Flare.

Such as? Don't list hypothetical situations. If they're not in a 5-yalm radius, you most likely can't AoE them either.

It was just a random example of how you could lower the downtime after flare.

Lowering the downtime means nothing when you spent 4 seconds casting it.

I think you mean high/high

No. BLM has a period of high DPS(AF), and a period of low DPS(UI). UI is shorter than AF, so it's not quite even, but you are most certainly not doing anywhere near AF damage in UI.

Not sure what you're talking about here because fire 2 spam + flare will already beat any possible combo we use on 2-4 targets (especially if there's more), and in a shorter time frame. Explain maybe?

Uh, no? 3 DoTs is 105 Pot + Shadow Flare(37.5), by themselves, is almost equal to what you can do. Then you use Miasma II(20 up front) and 10 DoT and we're equal. Then, while all of our DoTs are going, we're using Thunder/Ruin/Tri-Disaster to make us go even higher. I would say we're higher at Miasma II, but the application time for the DoTs makes up for BLM needing to use Fire III/Blizzard III.

And then you include the pet.

This is only an AoE scenario, too.

Turn 1 no one can match SMN, at all, period. 2 Spread out targets? Okay, let me DoT them both.

Easy, whenever one of the 5+ enemies gets hit by one or two aoes. The tank can't hold hate on everything in a large group very easily or very quickly, and often I have to literally run in the middle of my own shadow flare because I know that the second I bane those aggro lines are going to change to me. And many times I play with a BLM or a bard there is pretty much a guarantee that a few of the targets will run out of the circle.

Easy? What?

First, yes the tank can.

Second, why aren't you in melee anyways?

If everyone is competent then they will stay in the BRD/SMN circles.

Or, sometimes the tank simply has to move out of the circle because he has to avoid getting hit by something. Or a situation changes where he has to grab a certain target for some reason. Unless your DPS sucks horribly you will be used to the mobs running out of shadow flare the second you hit bane / thunder on a bunch of things. OH, almost forgot the countless times the healer happens to pull aggro on at least some them (it's hard to keep a tank alive in a large group without healing him, you see).

I can think of more situations if you like.

Avoid getting hit..by what? Grab a certain target..for what reason?
They won't be running out because I stand in melee. You know, you kind of have ot for Miasma II, not to mention mobs running all over the place is bad for everyone.

It's not hard. Healer won't pull aggro if the tank knows what he's doing, and healer will be in melee anyways for holy(WHM) or Miasma II(SCH). Not to mention healers will have an easier time due to the slow on Shadow Flare, and Disease from Miasma II.

Stop "thinking" of things and post real-world scenarios. "B-B-But Kevee! If I queue in the DF, these things happen!"

Yes, that's what happens when you go in an un-coordinated pug with no gear standard.

Good thing 8-~13 minute WP speed runs don't happen in pugs, right?

I agree, but right now they are easily beating us in every form of AoE DPS-- which I thought was supposed to be summoner's specialty.

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