(Un)Official Arcanist/Summmoner Feedback Thread

[Kevee]

Still don't see how this would be unbalanced. 5 yalms is an incredibly small radius and we have to use a stack of aetherflow for it (not to mention it has its own cd), and the main purpose of it is to spread our dots to a group of trash mobs-- whether it's just trash or a boss's adds.

5 yalms isn't small enough that it won't spread to what you need to spread it to.

How would it make us king when BLM can still double flare in the time it would take to set-up our dots and bane once? They also have access to infinite mana at the penalty of a much shorter downtime, while we have to wait an entire minute for aetherflow just to refresh our stacks & get ~800 mp back. There's literally no penalty to using flare besides ~10 seconds of downtime (not counting that they can just convert / use a potion / transpose & swiftcast bliz 3, etc, to have even less downtime).

Because double flare isn't functionally relevant and uses two CDs? It's a gimmick specifically assosciated with big trash pulls.
Swiftcast bliz 3? What? You do know Flare has a 4 second cast, right? It sounds, to me, like you've never even learned how other classes play, or function. If you swiftcast Bliz 3, you have no Swiftcast for Flare and spent 8 seconds casting it twice. I mean, wat?

Oh, you Flare->Convert->Swiftcast+Flare->transpose+Pot? Well, first, you're only in UI1 right now. Second, you have to cast Bliz3 before you even get UI3, and that means it could take up to 6 seconds before you get enough MP back to go back to AF. Third, that's at least 6.5s~ or so. Not 4. Not "near-instant." Oh, you did Fire III -> Fire II until low, then this? Okay. Convert is a 3 minute CD. Let me pop Raging Strikes on the next pack and still not be as far behind as you think we are, or how about Rouse+Spur+Enkindle+Pet AoE as well? Which, you know, hits pretty hard. Enkindle is 900-1000 non-crit. Pet AoE will be ~500. Rouse is 60 seconds, Spur is 120. Yes, SMN is behind BLM on 5+ targets. It's not as far behind as you think it is. If Bane hit every target, SMN would be the king/queen of everything.

And, the thing is, as a SMN we just continue doing what we do. BLM has a cycle of low/high.

I'm not saying BLM will always do more DPS than summoner, but it's really stupid to make a summoner have skills that are designed for AoE yet are limited to only 3 other targets-- especially in a DoT form of a damage, compared to the BLM's near-instant burst that requires no setup time and only a few seconds of down time if they have to transpose. We already are limited to a 5-yalm radius that it can spread from in the first place, what is so wrong with letting it spread to everything in that small-ass radius? A BLM's fire 2 & flare can do it but bane can't? Where's the logic there?

It's not stupid. We would be the quintessential kings/queens of everything. It's not near-instant. It's not a few seconds of downtime.

The logic is that we would be as far ahead for 5+ targets as we are 2-4. In fact, we would be FURTHER ahead because we would be using Tri-Disaster instead of Ruin.

And Shadow flare doesn't even come close to compare-- you have to make sure the mobs STAY in the circle AND it doesn't deal any kind of "burst" damage whatsoever. If anything it's an extra slow utility along with an additional DoT. With flare or fire 2, you just target whats in the center and bam you automatically get the easy-mode "hit everything around it within 5 yalms" burst for little to no penalty.

Okay, and when are the mobs not going to stay in the huge circle?

I thought blm was supposed to have the advantage on single target dps? now it's aoe too? (i had always thought bane was just bugged initially)

So summoner can't be king of everything, but BLM can?

Right, that makes sense.

BLM isn't the king/queen of everything.