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  1. #261
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    Kiote Corissimo
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    Sargatanas
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Take it back. Read it wrong.
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  2. #262
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    Felix Feliday
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    Behemoth
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee View Post
    I made a forum post in the in-game bugs section.

    Please go there and show support!

    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-party-buffs.



    Edit: Already moved to Accepted Bugs! While that doesn't mean it will be corrected(if at all) anytime soon, at least they'll know about it.
    Just curious

    Do you know if anyone has submitted a bug report about ...Ifrit Egi in general? (~1 sec delay between his attacks, his attack doing less then it should for the potency listed, ect...)

    I did a quick search of the bug forums but I couldn't find anything. Though I could have easily missed it.

    If there isn't a report, one really should be made as I'm pretty sure the reason he does worse then Garuda isn't as much developer intent as much as bugs lowering his performance.
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  3. #263
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    Zelia Sarrasin
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    Midgardsormr
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersun View Post
    snip

    Not to my knowledge, but it still wouldn't be that big of a gain. They'd be about equal, because of Contagion, but then you have all the utility that Contagion/Ranged pet offers. So pure DPS-wise I'd expect Ifrit, if/when fixed, to do ~15 more DPS than Garuda. I'd say Contagion/Ranged pet is worth ~15 DPS.

    Unless the lowered damage on Ifrit is also a bug(his hit is 120 potency but hits for a lot less), which I doubt.

    If both of these are bugs/get fixed then Garuda will only be used..Almost never. Just AoEing trash with Contagion.
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  4. #264
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    Felix Feliday
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevee View Post
    Not to my knowledge, but it still wouldn't be that big of a gain. They'd be about equal, because of Contagion, but then you have all the utility that Contagion/Ranged pet offers. So pure DPS-wise I'd expect Ifrit, if/when fixed, to do ~15 more DPS than Garuda. I'd say Contagion/Ranged pet is worth ~15 DPS.

    Unless the lowered damage on Ifrit is also a bug(his hit is 120 potency but hits for a lot less), which I doubt.

    If both of these are bugs/get fixed then Garuda will only be used..Almost never. Just AoEing trash with Contagion.
    I do suspect that the lowered damage might be a bug because like you said, that's definitely NOT 120 potency (though it could be intentional to account for his auto attack. Either way it wouldn't hurt to submit a bug report anyway since the worse that could happen is that they just tell us it's working as intended and the matter can be put to rest).

    Even if both are bugs and get fixed I wouldn't say that Garuda would never be used. There are still plenty of scenarios where Ifrit is at risk of dying and having to up front another summons worth of MP may not be worth the damage difference between the 2 (you can do a lot of extra damage with the MP it takes to summon). Sure, Garuda would be used less then now, but I don't think Garuda would be used as infrequently as Ifrit is currently.
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  5. #265
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    Engineer's Avatar
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    Matyr Gustav
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 51
    Every one should be wanting the AOE to come from the pet, instead of from bane....... right?

    I mean it is called summoner, and enkindle should have more potency and less recast time.

    Am I crazy, or is everyone wanting the Summoner to deal more AOE instead of the pet.?
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    My Hopes & Dreams for future Class/Job Implementation ----> http://imgur.com/a/fPpXO#0


    SE Please Add Machinist As A Pet Job. Musketeer/Machinist = Puppetmaster With A Gun.

  6. #266
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    Silverthorn's Avatar
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    Silverthorn Azure
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    Midgardsormr
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    About Bane, being a devil advocate, SE prolly wanted us, the summoner, to have control of what got bane'd and therefore gave it a tiny AoE range.. Granted doesn't work in practice but still I see where they are comming from. This thread sounds more of a "please give us summys a reliable Aoe"... Which in turn is diffrent from fixing bane.

    Consider these options.
    A. They could "fix" bane and the 3 dots to work properly, aka remove the bug's etc. And inaddition remove say the 15% reset dot chance to a flat increase dots ticking by 15 seconds.. This would make it FAR more consistent.

    B. As for a reliable aoe.... Consider Tri disaster getting a revamp...perhaps instant cast, or keep same horrific cast time but monumentally increase its potency... Or a mix of the two; 1 sec cast time potency upped by 50 or what not..

    These two fix our aoe issue of reduced targetting..and yet keep the "idea" of bane being a tight band/control aoe.
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  7. #267
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    Silverthorn's Avatar
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    Silverthorn Azure
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    Midgardsormr
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Baliso View Post
    Baliso
    OMG 1000 characters..really..can't even do a decent quote....


    YAY a summy who KNOWS how to play our class....soo VERY few on the server in which i reside.. Figured it was jsut me and lag with the bio bio2 and miasma 1 refresh thingy... irritating and at times i waste a fester because the previous cast didn't "take".....Alas I have to wait till all dots run out if i want to be sure and mana is tight.
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  8. #268
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    Onywen Fraelia
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Engineer View Post
    Every one should be wanting the AOE to come from the pet, instead of from bane....... right?

    I mean it is called summoner, and enkindle should have more potency and less recast time.

    Am I crazy, or is everyone wanting the Summoner to deal more AOE instead of the pet.?
    If you want a pure pet class, then you're playing the wrong game bro.

    Look in general at classes that are too dependant on their pets. BM hunter and demo lock in WoW. They're both extremely dumbed down and easy to play. If that's the kind of class you want, then maybe you should go play WoW. Summoner pets are already doing a substaintial amount of damage, what more do you want, seriously?

    Quote Originally Posted by T0rin View Post
    SMN burst DPS sucks. That's the one thing the class really lacks.
    Then why did you roll a summoner, want everything handed to you on a silver plate?

    Summoner burst is crazy when you pop all CDs. DoT classes have ramp up times, that's just how it is. If you don't like it, go roll a BLM. DIfferent classes have different designs. You can't have everything in one class, then there wouldn't be any need for other alternatives, except from that 1 class.
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    Last edited by Imoye; 10-31-2013 at 02:29 PM.

  9. #269
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    Hater Ade
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by T0rin View Post
    From what I have seen, both FFXIV-APP and Logrep2 will log your own DoT damage more or less correctly, when executed in a bubble. (like on a training dummy)

    Logrep2 still seems to have a bug where it will miscalculate DoT damage.. sometimes, rather sporadically, I will see it report me having done some very excessive amount of DoT damage that I know for sure I didn't do.
    When did this happen? Last I heard it still won't log contagion, rs dots, or shadowflare... Even the dots they do track are 100% guess work as there is no dot damage in the combat log. Correct me if I'm wrong
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  10. #270
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    Engineer's Avatar
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    Matyr Gustav
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 51
    Quote Originally Posted by Imoye View Post
    If you want a pure pet class, then you're playing the wrong game bro.

    Look in general at classes that are too dependant on their pets. BM hunter and demo lock in WoW. They're both extremely dumbed down and easy to play. If that's the kind of class you want, then maybe you should go play WoW. Summoner pets are already doing a substaintial amount of damage, what more do you want, seriously?.
    What do I want? Hmm maybe a final fantasy Summoner. I didn't think I was playing the wrong game since I'm playing Final Fantasy.

    I pick a job that's called a "Summoner" in a final fantasy game that doesn't focus on Summoning, but Dots instead and I'm in the wrong for wanting a pet focused job?

    I've never played WOW, and you probably never played any other Final Fantasy.
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    Last edited by Engineer; 10-31-2013 at 04:40 PM.
    My Hopes & Dreams for future Class/Job Implementation ----> http://imgur.com/a/fPpXO#0


    SE Please Add Machinist As A Pet Job. Musketeer/Machinist = Puppetmaster With A Gun.

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