(Un)Official Arcanist/Summmoner Feedback Thread

[Kevee]

as I explained, a blm can do Flare (for big dmg) back to back in a short fight, AND still get MP back to continue a fire aoe dmg rotation. Where as SMN can't dish that type of dmg at a fast pace as BLM can.

No, they can't. If you start with Flare(why would you ever do that?), it's a hard 4s Cast -> Convert+Swiftcast -> Flare -> Transpose -> Pot -> Blizzard III(Wait for MP tick) -> Fire III -> Fire II. That's not fast at all. You have, alone, up to a ~9s downtime between using Transpose and casting Fire III before you can go back to Fire II. Global timer right before ->Tranpose+Pot -> 2s Later MP tick(Only UI1)-> Blizzard III -> Full MP -> Fire III -> Fire II. You shouldn't really use Double Flare because of how slow it is(exception is the END of a trash pack), and certainly don't start Flare->Flare.

but we’re limited to primarily st damage. I don’t think we should be better at ae than a blm, but removing the cap from bane wouldn’t put us over the top while still making us more viable in situations requiring ae damage (speed runs, turn 4, etc.)

We're not limited to primarily ST damage.

It would put our AoE above everyone else because it would be pretty much equivalent to our 2-4 target DPS, which is leagues better than anyone else. The more targets, the closer people would come to us(due to thunder spam not being viable with high targets), and our pet being primarily ST. We would still be higher, however.

Don't even mention turn 4, because SMN is hands down the best job for that fight, and we do more effective AoE than anyone else due to Miasma II+Disease. Fyi, Shadow Flare slow works on the ants + rooks, hits knights, we can bane to knights without hurting ourselves, and Disease halves the healing the ants do to themselves.



Also, I'm done after this post, in this topic, talking about bane and AoE. Go ahead, get us buffed. Make Bane hit all targets. We'll be FoTM and then nerfed, which will most likely effect our ST and 2-4 target. I don't need to be the best at everything. We're already great ST(beaten only by the best MNKs, or BLMs with absurdly good RNG in their favor), highest 2-4 target DPS, and second on 5+ targets. On top of this, we have some of the BEST utility a DPS can ask for. We're in a great spot.

It goes to show how little you know about BLM.

I never said you start with flare. Come on, get your head out of the sand. I'm not making an argument to make summoner look bad. I'm making an argument to make SMN better. But to each his own.

It goes to show that you don't understand what I posted, because regardless of where you double flare it takes a lot of time to do. Not to mention the multiple "Why would you start that way?" comments.

[xxalucard]

Don't even mention turn 4, because SMN is hands down the best job for that fight, and we do more effective AoE than anyone else due to Miasma II+Disease. Fyi, Shadow Flare slow works on the ants + rooks, hits knights, we can bane to knights without hurting ourselves, and Disease halves the healing the ants do to themselves.

This is wrong. When you bane to a knight you do take ~1k+ damage (though the dots themselves, once bane'd, don't hurt you, and shadow flare isn't reflected)

Also, I'm done after this post, in this topic, talking about bane and AoE. Go ahead, get us buffed. Make Bane hit all targets. We'll be FoTM and then nerfed, which will most likely effect our ST and 2-4 target. I don't need to be the best at everything.

I still don't see how hitting a few more targets (how many are gonna be perfectly squeezed into a 5 yalm radius?) will make us the best at everything.

[Sharinar]

First of all if bane hitting all the targets without contagion would not be overpowered, but on par with fire2. the 3 dot doesn´t only have a ramp up time but also a ramp down time. contagion simply moving the ramp down time further back leaving us with more time to use other dmg from source like miasma2 or shadowflare. the dps from bane will go down after 15 to 18 second when bio will expire. and even go further down when miasma expire. that is except we do use another ramp up and another aetherflow stack.
that mean also on a 2-4 mob pack the bane dps should be on par with fire2 as long we don´t use contagion and can spam other skills like tri-dasaster or ruin.
consider cleave as an class mechanic would mean that all dps class would have cleave skills and be capable to of more damage on small pack than aoe or single target would do in that situation.

in the end square-enix are in the end the one who decides how things will be nerf/buffed.