(Un)Official Arcanist/Summmoner Feedback Thread

[FrionielHope]

Sorry to invade this thread, but what about scholars? They don't have any duration increasing buffs from egi!

And like SMNs their aoe in inferior compared to WHMs :P

[Kevee]

And like SMNs their aoe in inferior compared to WHMs :P

Only in utility(if the mobs can be stunned), and on more than 4 targets.

Otherwise SCH wins.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on what can be considered reliable area attack damage.

What is reliable if "I cast/place the spell and it hits" isn't reliable?

[Leoheart]

What is reliable if "I cast/place the spell and it hits" isn't reliable?

Probably means if a mob moves out of shadow flare, sometimes it can't be helped in certain fights, but as a tank I'll always try to keep mobs positioned on shadow flare/flaming arrow.

[Kevee]

Probably means if a mob moves out of shadow flare, sometimes it can't be helped in certain fights, but as a tank I'll always try to keep mobs positioned on shadow flare/flaming arrow.

Well, yeah, but if mobs are moving that means you probably won't hit all of them with your AoE anyways.


SMN AoE is fine. Yes, we can't AoE 5+ targets like a BLM can, that doesn't make our AoE bad.

Especially since we're the undisputed kings/queens of 2-4 targets.

[Leoheart]

Well, yeah, but if mobs are moving that means you probably won't hit all of them with your AoE anyways.


SMN AoE is fine. Yes, we can't AoE 5+ targets like a BLM can, that doesn't make our AoE bad.

Especially since we're the undisputed kings/queens of 2-4 targets.

It's situational at best, the strongest benefit of bane etc is the fact you can still perform other actions while your dots are ticking, a blm cannot do that with fire II.

[Spellbinder]

What is reliable if "I cast/place the spell and it hits" isn't reliable?

You cast, place, and it hits... for 25 potency.

Putting utilities aside, having to stack three spells (Shadow Flare, Miasma II, and Tri-Disaster(?)) for a combined 65-75 potency, when any other ranged DPS can use just one spell or skill for 100 potency is okay with you?

I'm fine with not being a burst class, but I find the lack of any area attack with considerable upfront damage that isn't stuck on a 5 minute timer (and sometimes doesn't even fire off due to buggy pet AI) to be disappointing.

So as I said, we'll have to agree to disagree on what's reliable area attack damage.

[Kevee]

Putting utilities aside, having to stack three spells (Shadow Flare, Miasma II, and Tri-Disaster(?)) for a combined 65-75 potency, when any other ranged DPS can use just one spell or skill for 100 potency is okay with you?

In 3 seconds(less because you pre-use Swiftcast) we have 375 + 70 Potency per target. That's 20p initially, and 47.5p/3s just from 2 skills.

Not including Bane, Pet, Tri-Disaster.

You can agree to disagree all you want, but we're not as far behind as you think, and we should be behind for how far ahead we are with 2-4 targets.

[Spellbinder]

This thread isn't about who's right and who's wrong, so please watch your tone.

If you don't think there's a problem with Summoner, you're entitled to your opinion, that's what this thread is for. I'm going to let this discussion end here before it leads somewhere it doesn't need to go.

Does anyone have any non-Bane related feedback?

[Kevee]

Does anyone have any non-Bane related feedback?

So a person in my FC confirmed my suspicions.


Pets don't get benefit from food.


I knew pets didn't get benefits from INT pots if you summoned them during the buff, but we've been trying to figure out the accuracy cap for pets.

442 is ~99-99.5% accuracy for pets(on turn 5). This is my personal accuracy and test.

Person in FC was at 423. Pet parsed around 90% accuracy. They used Stuffed Cabbage and sat at 444 accuracy.

Then they summoned the pet.

It still missed the same % as before. It still had ~90% accuracy.

So it seems pets do not get any food buffs, even if you summon them afterwards.


So while trying to test how much accuracy is needed, we found this unfortunate bug.

At least, I hope it's a bug.


Spread the word!

I have a thought that, maybe, pets don't get affected by materia, either. That may be why I see 100% accuracy, but my pet sees ~99-99.5%(-12 acc on belt would put my pet at 430 accuracy). I'll try to test this Monday. Already we know Food doesn't work with pets, which means we're at a disadvantage compared to everyone else(~20-25% of our DPS not getting food contribution), but it can also be a bigger issue of Materia having less of a value.

This is more important than a tool-tip change, and it has now been glossed over--Twice.

[FrionielHope]

[QUOTE=Kevee;1486263]Only in utility(if the mobs can be stunned), and on more than 4 targets.

Otherwise SCH wins.

Not really, Holy is 250 potency from what I heard, vs around 140 from sch if you apply all your bane dots and shadow flare and miasma 2. thats an insane amount of time to get everything up, and usually a whm only needs 3 or 4 holies to finish a pack if they have other people AOEing. 170 for SMN beats BLMs 100 but by the time SMN gets everything up a BLM couldve had the things near dead already

Honestly I think its ok if BLMs are a bit better for large groups of aoe if SMN is better single target. But Im not sure thats the case, apparently the parsers still aren't accurate so it's hard to know who does more damage. Considering the sustained nature of SMN vs burst of BLM I would hope they'd do at least 10% more damage than BLM.

The food thing isnt surprising, I kind of figured it was the case\

EDIT: Forgot SCH doesnt have tri disaster